Town Points – Is development becoming too formulaic? — General

Uke-by_HoMM![Zавулон]

20 years ago

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I think Nival introduced this scheme for the following purpose:
Imagine a situation where your Castle is almost fully built (all the essentials are there, only some minor things and the level 7 unit building remain). You're saving up for units, but you can't bring yourself to waste a turn without building something, and besides, morale will drop later (yours, not the hero's ;) )). So you have to build, but it feels like a waste of money (you might not have enough for hiring), or else you're left with a sense of dissatisfaction. And then—bam (meaning Tavern Point)! Once you've built this "minor thing," you haven't wasted your same amount of money, and the path to the level 7 building is open!!! GREAT STUFF!!!
P.S. Besides, building a Dragon Cave on the first level is practically impossible, but theoretically...

By the way, regarding automation, why not add the ability to plan buildings in the city? The player plans what to build in advance, and the computer builds them in order every day (provided there's enough cash, of course). IMHO.

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Katrine

20 years ago

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Uke-by_HoMM![Zavulon]

And then you get this (meaning from the tower point) When you build this "small stuff" and it doesn't cost much money, and the path to the level 7 building is open!!! A GOOD THING!!!

So what? What's the point of spending on this small stuff if it isn't a prerequisite?
Imagine in Warcraft, that to build Taurens you absolutely have to whip up 7 farms:eek: Well? Is that normal?
The Rush tactic is completely killed by same-level (except I wrote Academic with gargoyles and Armageddon)
Where are the Knights on the first week? Behemoths? and other treats from 3, 2, and 4?
They aren't there...
Against this backdrop, the lack of a guild restriction is nonsense.

Glom

20 years ago

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I don't know yet... I both like and dislike it...

Another company has taken over, and I think we should expect many deviations from the previous Heroes games. I actually thought that after the downfall of 3DO, both Heroes of Might and Magic and Might and Magic would cease to exist, and no one would take on their continuation, but they did... and I was already feeling uneasy about it... and now they've decided to significantly improve the graphics, which is exactly what set Heroes and Might and Magic apart – they had graphics at the cutting edge, while the plot was the main focus. I'm afraid that might not be the case anymore.

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CTPAHHuK

20 years ago

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For me, this castle building system is a step backward, and perhaps the biggest one. Looking at “this,” I can’t help but laugh as I remember the early parts of the game, and they were actually more beautiful! Much more appealing and convenient! And what do we have here? Some grayish-greenish-yellowish prototype buildings :D What is this? I’ve played it six times, but I still can’t remember which color means what – whether it can be built or not, or maybe there aren’t enough resources!?! The Heroes series has never had such a shameful city plan. And all the glory goes to Nival for this disgrace.

Magnus

20 years ago

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And here's another drawback in Heroes 5:
The entire game becomes monotonous, lacking freedom of action.

ВОРОН

20 years ago

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Guys, what's up?
Everything is always the same in all parts...
If that's what you want.
The best option is usually always the same. The exception is playing against another person.

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Uke-by_HoMM![Zавулон]

20 years ago

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Glom

I don't know yet... I both like and dislike it...

Another company is now working on it, so I think we should expect many deviations from the previous Heroes games. I even thought that after the collapse of 3DO, Heroes of Might and Magic and Might and Magic would remain as they were, and no one would take on their continuation, but they did... and I was already a bit uneasy about it... and now they've decided to significantly improve the graphics, which is exactly what set Heroes and Might and Magic apart – they had graphics at the cutting edge, while the plot was the main focus. I'm afraid that now it won't be the same.

I disagree with the statement that

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Magnus

20 years ago

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Uke-by_HoMM! [Zavulon]

I only played through the campaigns once and never really got into them...:o

That's why the story isn't the main thing for you. If you played through all or several campaigns, you would get so hooked on everything.

Uke-by_HoMM![Zавулон]

20 years ago

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I disagree. The game should be enjoyable, not something where you think, "I'll play it five times, and maybe I'll like it." I don't want that.

If you played through all or several campaigns, you would get hooked on all of this.

And by the way, I played through the campaigns only once (The Restoration of Erathia, Armageddon's Blade, and The Shadow of Death). You must have misunderstood me.

Varg-Nar

20 years ago

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A person by nature is a freedom-loving individual. Town Points limit the possibilities, where is the freedom of choice, where is the democracy inherent in other parts? :confused: However, for me, it is not yet clear whether this approach to construction is for better or for worse (I am more inclined to think that the points spoil the picture).

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Vlad

20 years ago

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Varg-Nar

A person by nature is a freedom-loving individual. Town Points limit the possibilities, where is the freedom of choice, where is the democracy inherent in other parts? :confused: However, for me, it is not yet known whether this approach to construction is for better or for worse (I am more inclined to think that the points spoil the picture).

Well, what can you do? The Nival guys wanted to come up with something like tavern points... maybe they wanted something interesting... but it turned out badly... and on the other hand, it's not that bad... fewer buildings, but more beautiful... :D

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Night

20 years ago

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Varg-Nar

A person by nature is a freedom-loving individual. Town Points limit the possibilities, where is the freedom of choice, where is the democracy inherent in other parts? :confused: However, for me, it is not yet known whether this approach to construction is for better or for worse (I am more inclined to think that the points spoil the picture).

Town Points keep everything under control, and no one will develop their castle in a couple of days, no matter how...
So there is no need to be upset:)

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Vlad

20 years ago

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Night

Town Points keep everything under control, and no one can develop their castle in just a couple of days, no matter how...
So there's no need to be upset:)

But still, I want freedom... the kind where, if I have resources, I can build... but right now, you have to build a bunch of not-so-necessary buildings before you can build the most important one. :(