Posts from HoMM3 HD is a mod (add-on) for the game Heroes of Might and Magic 3. Auto-translated

I'm not forcing anyone to play like a super-efficient player and spend 5 seconds per turn, but if 4000 + 400 wasn't enough for all your battles with golems and the like, then I'm sorry, but it's enough for most top players (I'm referring to long chains of battles, with 10+ creatures fighting per turn...). Even I, a newbie, can manage to click around and by the end of the game, I have at least a 1000+ difference (I pay less attention to battles and suffer losses because of it, but the timer is always within the limit).

to Dirty_Player, And if you run out of ammo, should you surrender and be killed, instead of trying to do something? Honestly, it's very similar to the reasoning of noobs in gameranger.

And the fact that you don't have time to move in SoD is more than strange and doesn't make sense at all.

Chess clocks can only be optional for timing battles in SoD and as a convenience when setting the duration of the entire move, since there are enough players (or ignorant ones) who do not perceive the tactics of complex (subtle) and long battles (like gremlins with hordes (hundreds) of zombies in the first week, or the same Gurnisson or the same Moon with a level 1 pixie). But if you come up with a timer for pauses in battles, then that would be fair.

Don't talk to me about jebus and the like. I see that for you, mega-players, a long move is associated with mega-skill, and a fast move is exactly the opposite - with noobism (yes, I remember that I was often tried to shut up with this argument). For me, this is associated only with slow thinking (not to be confused with 20 minutes in battle, I'm talking specifically about 20 minutes on the map).

Don't tell me about jebus and the like. I see that for you, mega-players, a long move is associated with mega-skill, and a fast move is exactly the opposite - with noobism (yes, I remember that I was often tried to shut up with this argument). For me, this is associated only with slow thinking (not to be confused with 20 minutes in battle, I'm talking specifically about 20 minutes on the map).

and in the Heroes community, most people play with SoD timers.

However, I am well aware of the beauty of chess clocks. When the time saved on fast moves can be spent on important, long moves.

This can be solved by adding time proportional to the number of moves in the battle, i.e., adding time for each move in the battle.

In general, what are people afraid of with chess clocks? Just uncheck the chess timer in Advanced Options and play with the SoD timer.

Interesting logic. Before a battle, you are usually confident that 8 shots will be enough, and you'll even have some left over. Of course, there are battles where you need to think, and I'm not saying that everything should be done thoughtlessly.

And this is even stranger. Do you think that all turns have the same difficulty and importance?

... Chess clocks appeared with the first version of TE and are still used today. If people have accepted this and are using it, then it has successfully passed the test of time. For those who haven't played with them, they are terrifying.

Message from baratorch
Regarding the chess timer: its implementation is as radical a change to SoD as starting the countdown after pressing OK. (I think it's obvious that starting the countdown after pressing OK should make the game incompatible with SoD). So, R55Max, your rejection of the former and acceptance of the latter cannot be justified by any reasonable or logical arguments.

Message from baratorch:
This is just your idea of the ideal mod (that is, justification at the level of - like/dislike).

Message from baratorch:
Although, after your posts, such a division is emerging: HD, HD + SoD-like mod, HD + my gameplay mod.

Message from Dirty_Player:
The logic is simple: for long battles, you pay with time. Chess clocks appeared in the first version of TE and are still used today.

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Just to remind you that chess clocks are PROFESSIONAL in chess, and the time is also calculated with professional calculations, so they require skill and planning.

Message from Dirty_Player:
In TE/WOG, the goal of introducing clocks was similar: to teach the player to manage their time effectively during a game.

Message from Dirty_Player:
Do you think so? I'm not considering foreigners (since they simply don't know about WOG and therefore have no choice), but I'm considering the Russian-speaking community, where people have long been playing either WOG or both WOG and SoD (universals), and the number of people who play strictly only SoD can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Message from R55Max
in the Heroes community, most players use the SOD version.

But what do TE and VT have to do with it? I don't care about them at all. I'm talking about SOD. You yourself, as you like to say, have said 100500 times that SOD means unchanging gameplay.

The SOD timer shouldn't be touched.

- Maybe it's worth focusing efforts on the current problematic areas, and postponing the rest until there's enough material to release it as a complete module? If you focus on what's missing in HD now, then saves are 98%, everything else is minor and far less important.

A little off-topic:
I tried installing HD, but I uninstalled it after the first game.
- In the very first game, there were 2 major freezes when alt-tabbing - for about 30 seconds. I never encountered this in SOD. My computer is good, by the way. It says in the manual that it reduces the load on the CPU, but in reality, it's the opposite. What could be the reason?

1. Map + Battle (this is where skill matters, not Warcraft-style speed).
2. The overall picture of the map - (minus) what you see. In chess, there is the possibility to observe the entire battlefield COMPLETELY. I hope you will forget about chess, unless you are playing with an open map.

When comparing Heroes to chess, don't forget that in Heroes there are moves on the map + battles, while in chess there are only moves with pieces.

That's why I suggested adding a bonus for each turn in battle. Even if it's just 2, 1, half a second, or 3-2-1 seconds. I think with such bonuses, it won't be possible to artificially inflate the battle time, and the time will be distributed more fairly between turns and opponents.

The first attempts to implement time control were made in the chess-like game of Shatranj in the ancient Arab East.

In Europe, chess games were played without time control. It happened that a player with a clearly losing position would try to wear down their opponent. Sometimes this worked. Games would last for many hours, even days. The "last straw" was the first international tournament in 1851, when the assistant referee, who was recording the moves in the Williams-MacLeod game, made the historic note: "The game remained unfinished because both opponents fell asleep..."

Two years later, in the Harwitz-Lowenthal match, the opponents were first limited to a time limit of 10 minutes per move. Sand timers were used, each with their own, and a monetary penalty was imposed for exceeding the time limit. In 1866, in the Andersen-Steinitz match, sand timers were replaced with mechanical ones, although they were not chess timers with two buttons, but ordinary ones.

Special chess timers were first designed by English amateur chess player Thomas Bright Wilson, an engineer from Lancashire, and used at a tournament in London in 1883. A year later, Amandus Schierwater received the first patent for the industrial production of chess timers, and in 1886 they were already available for sale in stores in Liverpool. In 1899, a "flag" first appeared on chess timers, indicating a three-minute interval before the time limit expired. The idea of the "flag" was proposed by D.B. Meijer. The prototype of the current mechanical chess timers with two button switches was created in 1900, thanks to Veenhoff. In the 1920s, the first electric chess timers appeared. The first electronic chess timers were made in Kyiv in 1964. After Bobby Fischer received a patent for electronic chess timers in 1989, the latter became one of the most widely used.

Why go to such lengths when you can simply stop it in battles?