Posts from Mafia 31. Twilight Dances.

Thanks to everyone for the game. Slozik, I'm proud of you. :)

The mafia game turned out to be really cool—the most popular, but at the same time the most drawn-out :smile04: It was very atmospheric for such an eccentric game setting. Anyway, thanks to Vissi's center for this; he worked his heart out! It's just a shame the mafia players dumped me toward the end, otherwise I would have treated you all to some herbal champagne made with chokeberry juice, of course.
But getting to the point. On the first night, I went to heal Torie purely based on game logic, because if I were in the mafia players' shoes, he's exactly who I would dump first, and frankly, I consider this move the main culprit. I liked the dynamism in the first part of the game, especially the psychological breakdowns after the second night, I think, when we managed to expose the mana and the archer. By the way, the mafia players already gave themselves away then while trying—quite saltily—to protect Rimpel, but the next day it became final because Bogart reached his same-old peak and started fountain-spraying new pages. To be honest, that moment was frustrating: when there was an obvious gap in the vote count between Slonysh and Nebo, nobody wanted to pay attention to it\ Plus Gil started terminally protecting the mistress, which caused a sea of suspicion. But it was great; we flooded about 400 pages back then) And also, I spotted all the mafia players except Kitsunka, but she wasn't as active as the others, so she remained unidentified. Well, after that, when everything became known, things just rolled along... And Gil decided to rehabilitate himself—good for him—but I think he'll draw conclusions regarding his stubbornness.
Overall, it seems to me we could have won more easily. It was just obvious from the outside how disorganized the city was..
Oh well, anyway, steam-city dwellers, victory is ours, hooray!

P.S. Morni, come to the cemetery tonight, my little heretic:smile36:

when we managed to burn the mana

Well, I thought I was executed based on circumstantial evidence.

my heretic

Ugh, to be like that. heretic, I mean

The ending was great; it's a shame I can't say the same about some aspects of the game. The post contains links to Lurkmore; be careful. I warned you. The failure of the first night didn't cause any unpleasant emotions. On the contrary, Hostor couldn't have killed Thorius on the first night, lol, and so on. The Knight, who knocked the brains out of Hermit, was amusing. The blocks were thrown in as a distraction. Okay, after the night and the day, the conclusions aren't great. We made a mistake with Reinhardt; personally, I really didn't want to kill him, but the suspicions about the leader... We killed him with the Archer; I didn't want to expose Amko with his random actions, and I wasn't eager to expose myself yet, plus we were wary of arson. We blocked Neyra (a mafia without a blocked Neyra isn't a mafia) due to suspicions of being a witch/alchemist. We used a rain spell in case of a mistake in our conclusions and any protection. Battiehurt #1 We're looking at the clues. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU and other rage, battiehurt. Instead of one obvious clue (okay, that could have been), there were two very obvious ones: one related to the Clan and the other to the Conflux. It hit hard. IT DIPLI HURTS. There's nothing left to do; it's hard to find a scapegoat. The only option left was to wait until they figured it out and then push for the simplicity and the 100% probability of a planted clue. I "went" into furious lol, I was too aggressive, and I completely exposed myself. The version with the additional clue didn't work because who cares? The battiehurt continues. There's also a simple clue on Nebko; the poor guy couldn't stage a massacre, but he gave us one day. In principle, there's not much point in that day... Okay... We killed Verwolf, thinking he was a witch. Another fail. Although, he also visited Thorius on the first night. We canceled the notes to cover up extra information + we could have used the extra day to make the Advisor, who remained silent with his note, look suspicious. Battiehurt #2 I'm reading the newspaper. The activation of personal protection, which should be described abstractly without mentioning the name of the protected person and without artistic embellishments of the protection, was described in full. After such a "gift" to the previous night, I put everything I could into the game. Thanks to Gil, he believed in the setup; there was more flood in the topic with Arandor and other lol, but we still lost Rimp. After that, the team figured everything out on their own. And I was battiehurting, including from the sudden Hostor problems, despair, apathy, WHERE IS MY COCAINE?! We decided to take a risk and kill Morny; it was too unpleasant to have a shotgun in his hands. The risk was justified, but it was a cruel disappointment, panic, pain in my hand from the golem. Omfg. There were two candidates for the leader: Taco and Zedzi. There's a minimum of information about both in the topic; what can you do? We went to kill Taco and ran into a thief's hide. Oh lol. What is bad luck... Zedzi still made patrols before his death; that's a pity. Battiehurt #3 And the seventh night. Lol. What should we do... What clever plan should we use, hmm? There was a double on Lizard, whom Gil would definitely protect. We did it. And MPX! The Abbot's action is generally classified not as protection, but as a buff (what?! WHAT?! O_O :smile35: RAGE), so the absence of a double is not even mentioned in the features of the killer and the abbot. Fail. I didn't even try to argue - as practice showed, it's useless to argue with a GM. Psyche, nerves, learn to fly, neighbor's dog. That's it. The quality of Lizard's game was good. Morny was also good, riding on horseback for the first half of the game and writhing in pain, either from hallucinations or from a hangover, in the second half. I understand Gil's conviction, and honestly, he did a good job - he defended his point of view. And at the end, yes, there were plans, "KILL THE ELVES!" and other unpleasant racism. Team, I was pathetic, FORGIVE ME. And at the end, Vistrit pleased me. I brutally and cruelly kill Arandor in the second final newspaper in a row: smile28: ^________________________^ I hope this becomes a tradition Thank you all. Enjoy your meal.

I thought Hostor would come up with some ridiculous excuse, but no, he didn't stoop that low! He just vented, it seems he was constantly being denied throughout the game. What can you do? He probably wanted to win two games in a row as Mafia. Tough luck, bro.

This means that Hostor simply couldn't go online the day after the Half Moon. This has nothing to do with the game; it's real-life problems. We were just short of his vote for your execution. Well, I won't deny it; this is entirely the city's merit! Apparently, you tied up Hostor and didn't let him get to the computer. Bravo, what a subtle play!

THE CITY WON THANKS TO LUCK And somehow, no one is paying attention to the fact that I took out the city's shooter, Hermi, in the first night, giving the Mafia an advantage, revealing myself, and not even going out in the second night; or how skillfully Gill turned a useful execution into a useless execution of useless garbage – a poisoned archer with a face full of suspicion, for which he ultimately paid with his comrade's life. Or that he spent half the game doing absolutely nothing, or that the archer was lucky enough to encounter a Technomancer without the help of a Sorceress, or that the Advisor was silent throughout the game, or that Nebko didn't take down a single Mafia member, or that the Dancer didn't get a single snail. Or that the city ALSO lacked one vote on the fifth day, or the fourth, whatever, to hang the right person. So, the sarcasm "more luck please" is inappropriately mixed with butthurt in this game. Enjoy your absolutely deserved defeat.

Didn't think that a "blessing" could be considered a defense. Oh well.

I didn't consider me and the patrols as a single unit, but it turns out it works that way.

Morni +1.

You're all noobs and lucky players.

Yes, no need to get so worked up. It's just a game, after all. We lost, so what? Everyone loses sometimes. The mafia wins often enough, so there's no need to get so upset about it. Actually, at first, I really didn't like Gil's unwavering confidence that Slonik was definitely a town member. In the end, for no apparent reason, Gil and Hossi started targeting Arandorchik, even though there was really no reason to doubt his innocence. True, before I left, I said that Lolodina shouldn't be targeted and that it would be better to eliminate Rimp, and then I went to sleep. Honestly, when I opened the thread, I was sure I would see Slonik being executed, or nothing at all. At least one mafia member was executed, which is a good thing, but I wasn't very happy about it. Defending Hossi was a failure. I thought he was mistaken, just like Gil. I naively believed that he could be a town member. Also, it was annoying to hear this whining: "If we execute Slonik, we'll lose!!!!!!!! AAAAA!!! We're all going to die, the mafia will tear us apart!!!!" - but in the end, even if she had been an advisor, they still would have won (well, if not her, then Gur would have been the leader, and the composition would have remained the same). What really bothered me was that some people thought Revanka was a golem. I really didn't want to be exposed. I didn't expect the Abbot to still be alive and that it was Gil (at first, I thought Revanka was a technomancer, but after looking at everyone, I made the stupid conclusion that he was the Abbot, damn it, I should always listen to my first thoughts), although I could have guessed. And now, when I saw that he used my resurrection on Revanka, I was a little shocked. But, since I wasn't going to die anyway, there's no need to be sad. In the note, I had to lie and say that I was hiding behind Arandor so that they wouldn't kill me, because something like that had actually happened a long time ago, although at that time I didn't have a chance of surviving if I defended myself. In general, I was defending Arandorchik because I was afraid that the mafia would kill the angel, but then I realized that he had been identified and they weren't going to target him, so I went to Morny (at that time, I didn't know that he was a knight)) and it worked out well (although, okay, Lizard still backed him up, and that was good)). Heh, it turned out to be funny, Hostor's role ignores all defenses except mine)) he can't upset his little sister :D Okay, whatever) the town won, my condolences to the mafia, the newspapers were very good, as was the atmosphere, so Vistrite did a great job). P.S.: roles with 75% protection really like me and want to be assigned to me, GMs, keep this in mind for the future ;D

I'd like to offer an outside perspective; I haven't played myself, but I've read everything.

First of all, I can't help but mention the failure of the town with Slonysh, especially the frustration of Ghil, who switched to Ara because of it. Tell me, why would a thief steal from the town two nights in a row? Okay, the first night could be explained, although it coincided with the knight's move, but the second night? That's a clear giveaway!

Hos's disappointment was also obvious; how could they not have executed him based on his behavior alone? To be honest, I would have executed Ghil as well, for his fervent defense of Slonysh.

And now, as I promised in the other thread, the failures of the GM, Vis – don't take it personally.
The first thing that struck me, and that I want to address immediately, is how you revealed Slonysh's natural protection! The later post, claiming that it was just a description and that it might look different in reality, is a blatant excuse after you realized you had exposed the mafia member. For this alone, Slonysh could have been executed.
Second, the ease of the clues. All of them. "The town is struggling, so I can give out easy clues" doesn't hold up. It's too easy, like playing Heroes with a cheat engine!
Third, no matter how you look at it, there should have been a modkill, as it's stated in the rules. Yes, it would have changed the balance of power, but nevertheless. As far as I remember, TaKo (she even mentioned it herself) and Nebo should have been modkilled. As a result, TaKo remained, and Nebo was eliminated through the daytime vote.
And finally, the lack of transparency in the rules (i.e., that only the GM understands the nuances of the rules) is also a negative, although it's the smallest one.

Generally, you wanted to say something about the mechanics, like, "+ 'OLOLO MAFIA WILL CRUSH EVERYONE ON THE FIRST DAY, IT'S SO OP!'", right?

I exposed and exposed, I would expose any defense. If you didn't notice, the focus was on "literary flourishes." Torijchik also didn't have any armor, in the first night.
The first ones were easy, yes. But the rest could be given as very difficult, when you know where to look, it's not a problem for the city.

Thirdly, no matter what, there should be a modkill, if it's written in the rules. Yes, then the balance of power would change, but nevertheless. As far as I remember, TaKo had to be modkilled.

Why TaKo? Why Nebo? o_o

Actually, you wanted to say something about the mechanics and how "OLOLO MAFIA will crush everyone on the first day, it's totally OP!", right?

No. I already got an answer to that question before the game started.
Nebo's computer broke down, and he said he wouldn't be able to play.
TaKo wrote in the thread that she doesn't know why she wasn't kicked, and it's too much effort to search for the post in this huge stream of messages.

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Toria's defense didn't work, so it's not surprising that you didn't even mention the armor, you literary genius.

By the way, regarding natural defense. I'm not sure if everything is explained correctly. In game 20, my weak role, which relied solely on defense, was openly targeted, which led to my defeat.

Actually, yes.

The activation of personal protection, which should be described abstractly without mentioning the protected unit and without any artistic embellishments of the protection, was described in full detail.

The discussion during the day was about the role of the dancer, her ability to "miss the mark," and the mistakes made by the knight. I can't even imagine how "artistically" the enchantress's protection works, so it's pointless to talk about it being obvious.
And the unit's name was always specified.