Mafia 31. Twilight Dances. — Mafia

Гур

15 years ago

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The advisor might be an inexperienced player and may not want to provide additional information about peaceful roles, etc. The reasons for their silence may vary. Sincerely, Gur

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Gur, did I understand you correctly, is the author of the note Slonysh? Sincerely, Gur

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Gil4

15 years ago

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Gur

The Advisor may be an inexperienced player; they don't want to provide additional information about peaceful roles, etc. The reasons for their silence may vary.

Sincerely,
Gur

They have already failed to provide additional information about the peaceful role – the Thief. And don't expect me to reveal their nickname in our conversation (although, why would the Mafia need a Thief at all :D?). This is more than enough; moreover, the Mafia would not be cautious about concealing the nickname of the "Thief" and would simply "accidentally" reveal it, presenting their player as a peaceful role.

Sincerely,
Gil

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Gur

Gil, am I understanding you correctly that the author of the note is Slonysh?

Sincerely,
Gur

If I believe Slonysh is the Advisor, and I believe that the note is from the Advisor, who do I think is the author of the note?

Sincerely,
Gil

Гур

15 years ago

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Now, if you're using logic, consider that Slonysh is the mastermind.
So, could there be a player within the mafia, in its current composition, capable of writing a fake note with that particular style?

Sincerely,
Gur

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Luis

15 years ago

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what the... there's no logic in the Mafia's actions; I don't see it in the executions either. Why hang someone randomly when there's an obvious Mafia member, Slonysh? :eek:

Нэйко

15 years ago

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Why would a drug addict put up with such behavior from the mob and stay silent?

Drug addicts often don't care.

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Gil4

15 years ago

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Gur

Now, if you're really using logic, consider that Slonysh is the mastermind.
So, could there be a player within the current mafia composition capable of writing a fake note with that kind of style?

Sincerely,
Gur

Yes, but in that case, it would be "within the current mafia composition, a player incapable of making such irrational moves." In other words, this option is also ruled out. Don't try to win this verbal duel; you won't succeed anyway. However, I appreciate the attempt. If you have a final trump card up your sleeve, use it now. If not, I'm stepping away and don't want to return to these debates.

Sincerely,
Gil

Гур

15 years ago

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If you know all the peaceful roles (affiliation with the worlds) and Slonysh is not the ruler, then, according to your logic, I should be the ruler? Sincerely, Gur

Amko

15 years ago

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Locky, I said at the beginning of the day that I wouldn't vote, and that way it would automatically be attributed to me.

Gil

Peaceful roles are easily identified without knowing even a single status – I state this with full responsibility. There are some doubts about certain points, but this doesn't change the fact that the overall picture is clear. Furthermore, let's say you realize that Morny is a guaranteed peaceful player? You should. And it's not necessary to know his role for that, is it?

Morny is a guaranteed peaceful player because someone tried to attack him today; no logical operations are needed here.

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Gil4

15 years ago

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Gur

If you know all the peaceful roles (affiliation with the worlds) and Slonysh is not the leader, then, according to your logic, I should be the leader?

Sincerely,
Gur

If it was an ace, there's no point in continuing.
If it wasn't an ace, I still warned that I wouldn't continue without an ace.
I'll answer and we'll end it here:
According to my logic, there are 4 dead worlds, 1 executed mafia member, 1 executed werewolf, and 14 players currently participating in the discussion. Of these 14 players, 9 are peaceful and 5 are mafia. I know all the peaceful roles and their specific roles, i.e., I know the roles of all nine. Excluding them from the list, we get the five players with mafia roles. I can't determine the specific mafia roles. Therefore, according to my logic, you are just someone from the group of five mafia members. The rest doesn't matter to me, and I've already lost interest in the game.

Sincerely,
Gil

Гур

15 years ago

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I agree with your logic, except for one point: Slonysh is not an advisor, but rather a male advisor, using your terminology, and he is inadequate. I don't know what you mean by "ace." If you want an ace, then execute me and ask everyone else to vote against me. Sincerely, Gur

Нэйко

15 years ago

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Gur, are you trying to take over by subtly implying that you're our advisor?

Гур

15 years ago

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I didn't say that.

Sincerely, Gur

Amko

15 years ago

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And suddenly.

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Gil4

15 years ago

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Gur

I agree with your logic, except for one point: Slonysh is not an advisor, but rather a councilor, and, using your terminology, is inadequate.

I don't know what you mean by "ace." If you want an ace, execute me and ask everyone else to vote against me.

Sincerely,
Gur

I wanted to hear some brilliant argument – that's what I meant when I mentioned having an "ace up my sleeve." The only one who, based on past games, could have refrained from writing notes even if there were fake ones from the Mafia was Rimpel, but he has already been executed and is now the Archer. I consider Louisa a priori to be Mafia for my own reasons. So, there are no candidates left.
You can only assert this with such confidence if you yourself are the Councilor, and I clearly remember your previous attempt to appear as such, but I don't believe it. The reason is still the same: Slonysh would not allow such moves. And if she is not the Councilor, then she can only be the Overlord, which is impossible.
I consider the discussion closed, thank you for your participation and attempt, I appreciate it.

Sincerely,
Gil