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Offline Гур
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I vote for NNV.

I believe the evidence against Rimpel is insufficient. The guesses about Neyru and Slonysh are unconvincing.

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Gur
"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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Offline Нэйко
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I think the evidence against Rimpel is insufficient. The guesses about Neiru and Slonysh are unconvincing.
Slonysh's execution is valuable information! Why? Firstly, if she's Mafia, everyone will be happy; secondly, if she's a Town member, there will be 100% peace. So, there's no need to waste a day on Night Neutral Vote (NNV), because it's a pointless game.
You can vote me out if you all want, but I guarantee this vote won't give the Town anything.
P.S.: I hope you don't think Slonysh is a Golem.

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Executing Rimpel is useless because he'll be in the block tomorrow.
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Offline Arandor
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Executing Rimp is pointless, as he will be in the block tomorrow anyway.
-1 vote for the Mafia is always beneficial.

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Offline Gil4
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Arandor
Gil, do you think they were protecting or testing Elephant during the second night?
this is not a hint
They were protecting him, because "дал крестик" (gave a cross) is similar to "дал защиту" (gave protection).

Witch, I have a persuasive request: if Elephant is not executed, please don't let her die. If she is executed, then target Nera, but it's up to you. Read her long post carefully; I believe in your rationality, so think it through.
Chief, you know what to do.



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Offline Arandor
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Therefore, in the peaceful world of Слоныш, no one can feel completely safe.

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Offline Нэйко
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Gil, at first, I thought you were just stubborn, but overall peaceful. Now I'm sure you're playing the role of a "mafioso," and yes, you're not very good at reading between the lines, at least not right now.

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Gilford, tell me one reason why we can't execute Slonysh. Is she a golem? Nonsense, I'll never believe it! And if she's an advisor, she won't die, and you'll be right, so you can start paying attention to me if you want. Something's not quite right with your thinking in this game, and that's a shame.
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Offline Arandor
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Gil, if Slonish isn't a Mafia member, then the Leader will be able to protect us, and the Mafia won't be able to make moves. If they do make moves, it will only be with the Sorceress, and they'll give us evidence against her.

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Offline Happy Life
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I vote for NNV.

I think the evidence against Rimpel is insufficient. The guesses about Neyru and Slonysh are unconvincing.

Sincerely,
Gur
And here comes the main player.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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Offline Amko
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Executing Slonysh is valuable information! Why? Firstly, if she is Mafia, everyone will be happy; secondly, if she is an Advisor, 100% peace will appear. So, there is no need to waste a day on NNV, because it's a pointless game.
100% peace, which they will try to quickly destroy. Considering the Knight's rationality, this is quite possible.
Executing Rimp is useless, because tomorrow he will be in the block.
No, that's not true. Even if Slonysh is Mafia, Rimpel is no worse as a candidate. Firstly, -1 Mafia, as Ar noted, is always a good thing. Secondly, I don't think the Mafia are so stupid that they would send Slonysh on a mission when there are so many suspicions about her. Moreover, if Slonysh is Mafia and will be hiding, then with a 50% probability she is a Dancer, which means we won't see any more stealthy kills.
Arandor
This means that no one can be sure of Slonysh's peacefulness.
Personally, I cannot be sure of the peacefulness of any of the remaining players :3
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Offline Нэйко
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A 100% peaceful player, who will quickly be eliminated. Considering the Knight's rationality, this is quite possible.
The Knight won't vote to eliminate them. And the Mafia will kill them anyway if they aren't on their team and aren't being protected.

No. Even if Elephant is Mafia, Rimpel is no worse as a candidate. Firstly, -1 Mafia, as Ar noted, is always a good thing. Secondly, I don't think the Mafia are so stupid that they would send Elephant on a mission when there are so many suspicions about her. Moreover, if Elephant is Mafia and is just staying quiet, then there's a 50% chance she's a Dancer, which means we won't see any more stealthy kills.
If she's a Dancer, we'll lose twice as much if we eliminate her now and Rimpel tomorrow.
Am, if you're peaceful, reconsider, Rimpel won't be eliminated anyway, your vote is wasted. A check is better than a wasted day.
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Offline Gil4
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Arandor
So, in a peaceful game, no one can be sure of anything.
And I am sure, because certainty can be achieved not only by checking a status, heh.
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Gilford, tell me why we can't execute Slonysh? Is she a golem? Nonsense, I'll never believe it! And if she's an Advisor, she won't die, and you'll be right, then you can keep an eye on me if you want. Something's not quite right with your thinking in this game, and that's a shame.
We. Will. Lose. A. Day. How many more times do I have to write this, in what font? We CANNOT waste a day. How about we execute the Governor and the Advisor in turn every day, huh? The Mafia will kill themselves, but what about us, we're all immortal. So, sorry, but checking for guaranteed peace is complete nonsense for me.
Ney, come on, name the Mafia members intuitively. Just don't say that your intuition suddenly isn't working this time. Name them.

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A Knight won't go to a checked player. And the Mafia will kill her anyway if she's not on their team and isn't being executed.

If she's a Dancer, we'll waste even more time if we execute her now, and Rimpa tomorrow.
Um, if you're Town, think again, Rimpa won't be executed anyway, your vote is pointless. Better to check than to waste a day.
Where did this sudden confidence come from that the Knight won't go to a checked player? :) The Knight is behaving very suspiciously, isn't he? And the Mafia won't kill Slonysh yet, because her role, fortunately, is not obvious, and wasting their only night kill on a guess would be stupid for them. You need to choose which role to play, and in both options, there's a good chance of failure. That's why I'm against the execution - I don't want to make the role obvious.



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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Offline Arandor
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I, on the other hand, am sure, because confidence can be gained not only by checking the status, hehe.
Confidence comes either from checking the status or revealing the role. Otherwise, everything else is probabilities and percentages, assumptions, and intuition.

And I already wrote. If Slonish isn't Mafia, then the Chief uses his uber-skill, and the Mafia sucks at night, maybe except for the Mistress. But we have protection, and it's not a fact that she will go to kill. So, we'll have another day.

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Offline Gil4
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Arandor
confidence comes either with a status check or a role reveal. there's no other way, everything else is probabilities and percentages, assumptions and intuition

And I already wrote that. If Elephant is not Mafia, then the Chief uses his uber-skill and the Mafia sucks at night, maybe except for the Mistress. But we have protection, and it's not a fact that she will go to kill. So we will have another day.
Yeah, probabilities and percentages, 99% after all. And, if you're going to be so pedantic, then knowing one status doesn't give you anything either. :/ Because in the end, there's still a choice between Mafia and Townies.

If the Chief makes such a move, I'll die. And judging by how you reason, it will be "the end of the comedy." The only hope is for Hosa, but I'm not sure if he's Town.



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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Offline Arandor
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Why will you die? Let a Witch or a Golem come to your aid. They'll back you up.

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Arandor
Why will you die? Let a Witch or a Golem come to your aid. They'll back you up.
Because the Witch is needed as insurance for the Elephant, if it survives. The Witch is needed to harass other Mafia members, if the Elephant is executed.
What's the Golem for? So that we both die? No, thank you. Oh, yes, you probably forgot that the Killer has a random status every night and also has a 50% chance to use Night Defense? Or, perhaps, it would be beneficial to suggest this idea to the Golem, so that we can get rid of both of us at once?

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Stop, Ar, you even confused me. The Golem CANNOT move on that night; the Golem is also a Non-Human. //_\



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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