Heroes 6 - Discussion — General

Дембель of Heroes

15 years ago

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To summarize...
There's a beta version of the game, essentially a toy. But a game is also a product. Those unfamiliar with Ubisoft will probably get acquainted with them now. Of course, they could have chosen not to release the game and instead sold the rights, if such a thing even exists. What am I getting at? Paying 3,000 rubles for a toy isn't affordable for the average person – it's a significant amount for killing time. However, what's unsettling is that you have to pay for their problems (bugs) and for fixing them (removing the bugs)!! They didn't approach the fans and ask for their help, nor did they give money to specialists or ordinary citizens so that people could specifically focus on finding bugs (because during that time, anyone could earn money elsewhere instead of just wasting time). It's absurd that Ubisoft will reap the rewards and get medals for your time and money spent on the game, while you get nothing – not a single ruble or a minute of glory. Isn't that a great prospect?
Before this, there were 5 Heroes games and a ton of expansions, which allowed them to develop the game faster, dedicating time only to creativity and artistic design, which certainly didn't take 5 years! But now, we have a bunch of bugs, blatant copying of artifacts, names, and other elements, and many fans are disappointed with the product (except for the artistic design). For me personally, the company has lost its identity. Now, I'll watch the die-hard fans who buy it upon release (or who get a copy), read the reviews, look at the screenshots, and then I'll decide.

P.S. I don't envy those who paid 3,000 rubles and wasted their time. They've realized that it was a foolish thing to do. However, everyone can choose to be whoever they want.

Ranmaru Rei

15 years ago

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Dembel of Heroes, you are completely wrong. Firstly, we are paying not for a beta test, but for the game itself. Participating in the beta test is simply a privilege for having made a pre-payment (although, of course, when the hype subsides, the price will likely decrease). Secondly, Ubisoft owes us nothing; if they wanted, they could have not given us access to the beta until the release, and we would not have seen the game until September 8th (or even later). Thirdly, by participating in the beta test, we can influence and are influencing the final product. Ubisoft is actually listening to our opinions (at least, if we are to believe Irina's words).

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5p74

15 years ago

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codenameray

Remind me in a few words, what was the situation with Disciples 3? I'm interested, but I don't follow that game.

Well, if we take the game Renaissance, then there was complete chaos, a lot of bugs, a terribly unbalanced game, a boring, straightforward campaign, no multiplayer (not even hotseat), and so on, and so forth. 7 years of waiting by the fans went down the drain! Only after the release of the expansion did the developers of Disciples decide to fix everything, or almost everything, and try to release a more or less playable product. We'll see!

I don't think Disciples will have such a failure (because the company behind Heroes is more solid and wealthier), but the fact that negative feedback about the beta is already appearing is worrying!

It would be very disappointing if my second favorite game also has an unsuccessful start(((

Adagio

15 years ago

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Come on, everything is fine. After all, a beta, which simply cannot be without flaws, is given to the public so that they can find these bugs. This results in a perfectly reasonable mutual cooperation, as a result of which, I emphasize, both sides win: players get a quality product with identified shortcomings, and the publisher earns money from it. Moreover, there is a special thread on the official forum where players write about bugs. This is not just for show; the developers read all of this and fix what they consider to be a real flaw. Gradually, they will be releasing updates to the beta, and it will become closer to the original. So everything is going well.

ОMEGA

15 years ago

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The problem with Disciples 3 was that it only retained the name of the original Disciples. The gameplay was reworked so much that Heroes 4 couldn't even compare. The numerous bugs are almost irrelevant; they were already a hallmark of Akella, but the gameplay overhaul was accompanied by a complete lack of balance, both in terms of factions and the game itself. Any campaign mission can be completed by using summoning spells for magical creatures, as they alone can defeat any enemy army. Plus, the AI is incredibly stupid. It has the ability to move around the battlefield, which is a new feature that wasn't present in previous games, and theoretically should be a key feature, but the AI attacks the NEAREST unit. Situation: two knights attack a troll, the troll attacks one of them. You move the damaged knight back one square, and that's it; the AI switches to the other knight. You can move the damaged knight back, and the AI will attack the knight it started attacking. Fail. Also, this is especially noticeable in single-player maps: there is no AI at all! Instead, the AI uses scripts. If you build unit production buildings for level 2 units in your castle, an enemy hero with a level 2 army will appear nearby. The fact that there were fifty neutral creatures along the path from the AI to you doesn't matter; they just stand there. The army simply appears out of nowhere. And that's how the whole game is designed. The expansion didn't save it; they added a beautiful and well-voiced undead faction, but the balance, AI, bugs, and all the other problems of the game remained.

Дембель of Heroes

15 years ago

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How convenient that both the main points and the highlights are here. Well, shall we indulge?:)

(Although, of course, when the hype dies down, the price will probably drop).

What hype? What did they do to create such hype? Nothing!! There's a semi-finished product, and a very unfinished one at that. And there's hype about THIS? Anyone, I repeat, absolutely anyone with a sound mind wouldn't take round pieces of meat advertised as dumplings (but where's the dough?), but would go and buy meat for 6 times less; they'd cross themselves and walk away.

Secondly, Ubisoft owes us nothing; if they wanted, they could have denied us access to the beta until release, and we wouldn't have seen the game until September 8 (or even later).

And... it's as if they don't care at all!!
To pay 3,000 rubles for a figurine made of artificial material (yeah, right, something not made of alloys, but of artificial fibers), a poster, a 30-ruble CD with music, a diary. At most, all this is worth 500 rubles. But what to do with it? Will a poster improve your life, or maybe the figurine? Oh, yes, sorry, I forgot that the diary contains a brief guide to life:)) Awesome priorities. Died at 30, buried at 70.

Thirdly, by participating in the beta test, we can and do influence the final product. Ubisoft does listen to our opinion (at least, if Irina's words are to be believed).

Of course, they'll fix the bugs:))) And if you think that your opinion matters to those who are making money off you, then... first, you need to make money off them so that it's worth something:) That's the simple arithmetic. At the same time, your comment was purely basic and, most importantly, touched upon the constructive features of the design.

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Let's move on to the highlight..

Although, you won't understand anything.

You're making hasty conclusions, which is not befitting a scoundrel. Besides, you'll have to understand, otherwise

and nothing, the armor of idiocy is impenetrable

Let's continue..

Who said it was necessary?

Ubisoft. Didn't you know? You should have! Tell that to those who spent about 60 Euros worldwide. They didn't pay for Irina's striptease!:) And do you know why? Because they need a package of all sorts of junk that can't be used for anything useful, costing about 400 rubles, to fish for their boss, spend a few days on it, pay for the place, give away all the fish, and then what they caught will be given away by others as their own product, and so on. I have an idea. Come all, I will sell you to the owners of gardens. You will dig, and I will get paid for it, and when you're done, you can go home, and then you will get the grown product from this garden for 6 times more than in the market, but for free, hahaha. Do you think this is not the same and cannot be compared? And now let's see:)

It reminds me of the guys from the movie DMB, their reasoning is just as straightforward and simple as a rail. This is a normal practice in modern conditions.

It's all so simple and straightforward. But this practice is destructive!!! Modern or not modern conditions - it doesn't matter. Adapting to anyone who wants to rip me off and will talk about the realities of modern life (although, for some reason, different people have different realities;)), although the author didn't take this into account, is the same as someone coming tomorrow and saying: "the reality is that you will work for several thousand for Maxim Maksimych, then for Fedor Fedorovich, then for Pelageya Arkhipovna and several other people, and for this we will give you a product that is 6 times more expensive than in the market!". I'll say: "What's the catch?". And they'll answer: "That you will dig, you will dig now and you definitely won't do anything useful for yourself during this time, and then you will get it for 6 times more, but... give me the money now". "Listen, man, I didn't understand anything, you're either from Kovalevka;), or you've ripped off so many suckers that you've gotten confused and are openly selling your madness. Neither is flattering to you. Arrivederci!". "These are modern conditions, let's go dig!". "Modern conditions are when you leave the house and there are choices all around, and you still have to fight to be chosen, and given that you don't bring me any benefit, since the product is specific, your chances are slim, and you're here trying to sell it:)))".
In general, you have some kind of hidden consent to masochism, Prince Omega, because I can't interpret the whining about modern realities in any other way.

Some people buy a car, some spend the same money on girls and parties, some go on a trip, some lose it in billiards, some spend it on computer games.

I bought myself natural Chinese tea for 4,000 rubles, although it was mostly 1,500. What a benefit!!! Everyone I treated noted the effectiveness of the tea within half an hour. These people know a thing or two about maintaining their health. And all the rest... I can't even compare, unfortunately.

Moreover, for pre-ordering, you get to play the beta version of the game.

Are you serious?:)

but no one will be able to boast that they played the beta and that, thanks to them, the game was released on time.

Now I'll translate it into human language:
But no one will be able to laugh at how one fool beats his chest, thinking that he won and that thanks to him and 5,000 others like him who were ripped off, other people made money.
Are you serious, or is it really "you won't understand anything(s)?:)

If you buy a 5000-ruble sofa in a store, they'll give you pillows for 500 rubles for free. It's the same here.

Prince, wake up!
I won't be upset, because in 2 months it will be everywhere for only 900 rubles. And there, by the way, are not pillows for 500 rubles, but a set of Chinese toys made of materials that would make the sanitary and epidemiological inspection worry (I'm kidding, I'm kidding).

Greed. If you want fame, go into game development.

I see you're full of all sorts of nonsense. Look... I spend my time and energy on their business. Who will compensate me for this? No one! Let them go to hell:), I prefer to earn, not pay for my work and get a cart in addition.

And a quality game is never created quickly.

It's not about quality, but about tastes!! What kind of commercial product is this if it's designed for a couple of people? Its quality is not the main thing at all:))

Read a textbook on the history of the Middle Ages, and you won't see a single name that isn't used now, so is nothing new in the world?

I wouldn't recommend you to tell me about history (not computer games). And I didn't understand the sentence, maybe the particle "not" is superfluous.

And everything else too, the world doesn't change over time, understand.

You were well-schooled... first by your parents, then by your teachers, then by Ubisofts and others. And all from books and games. Because you don't know anything about the World yourself.
Between us... if you don't try to get out of the swamp where you're successfully sitting, you're doomed.

5p74

15 years ago

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In this discussion, I agree that 3000 for the beta is definitely too much! However, it's their decision. Life is expensive, and you have to pay for everything!

VIPmd

15 years ago

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Dear fans! Please share any information you have regarding the castle view. Will it remain 2D? What are the developers saying?

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codenameray

15 years ago

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VIPmd

Dear fans! Please share any information regarding the castle view. Will it remain 2D? What are the developers saying?

I read somewhere that a full-screen city view will be included in the final version. But this is unconfirmed information. It's more of a rumor.

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Ment

15 years ago

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codenameray

I read somewhere that a full-screen city view will be in the final version. But this is unconfirmed information. More like a rumor.

It won't be: information from Irina Kassina. But there is some, not very high, probability that it will appear after the game is released: read about it in the add-on.

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codenameray

15 years ago

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Ment

There won't be: information from Irina Kassina. But there's some, not very big, chance that it will appear after the game's release: read about it in the expansion pack.

Yeah... I'm speechless.
This city screen will be a big problem for them... Or rather, its absence.

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5p74

15 years ago

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codenameray

Yeah... I'm speechless.
This city screen will be a major problem for them... Or rather, its absence.

I think a lot of things will be a problem for them.

Amko

15 years ago

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Yeah, in the fifth game, I remember we and the guys played all night long, hotseat mode, and spent hours just staring at the city screens, sometimes even neglecting the actual gameplay just to admire the city screens. That's what mattered back then, and everything was fine. I'll buy the game, maybe even more than one.

Why are you so critical of the game? The skill tree is interesting, the graphics are nice, and the strategic part hasn't really changed. Overall, if you ignore the somewhat questionable reduction of rare resources (and of course, the constant crashes), I liked the beta. I wasn't expecting anything special from the game, and it met my expectations about 90%.