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Posts from Sacred Haven of DebaucheryAuto-translated
Pff, someone obsessed with graphics, and even from a third-person perspective. That will be terrible.
Tactics are essential, along with beautiful visuals and a minimum of 3D. The camera angle is also important.
What do you mean? They're just assistants to Doctor Troy.
That's all.
Compare the color scheme of the Annihilators in W3 and WoW. Do you prefer the turquoise demons, or the dark purple (and sometimes dark green) ones?
I don't know who you're talking about.
The Lich – honestly, the WoW Lich makes me burst out laughing. Why do they need those exaggerated hands?
Show me, I haven't seen it.
Night Elves – they've become more like men. In terms of appearance, they only surpass representatives of races that are "an acquired taste" (orcs, gnomes, dwarves, tauren).
They are exactly the same as in Warcraft 3.
Infernal – a small, ridiculous head (in response to the half-mad "face" from w3) and completely absurdly exaggerated limbs.
They are exactly the same as in Warcraft 3. Also, a CRAZY SMILE))))
Humans – they're all brutish. It's a bit annoying when you want to create a weak mage (like Antonidas), but you end up with something that's old, but buff (in the style of, for example, Tekken).
Well, yes, it's a shortcoming of the generator.
Tauren – their faces have gotten worse.
What else can you say?
Orcs – they're worse than what we've seen in other Warcraft games. Perhaps the old, good horned hat would improve things to some extent, but still, their faces... they're not as expressive. At least there are no more wolf riders in armor.
The same as with the previous one. These are more like the grumblings of a wannabe old-school fan of Warcraft 3, an unimaginable antiquity.
Regarding W3 and WoW, I agree with Plesen.
Especially, I'm saddened by the orcs, who have transformed from proud warriors into hunched-over former slaves. Yes, they are former slaves, but they are former slaves, and now they are proud warriors. So why are they hunched over like I don't know who? Even Garrosh, who lived freely in Draenor, and his tribesmen are bent over in three places.
The trolls, suddenly, all began to move like a single troll spirit walker from W3, standing in a squat on all fours and twitching like worms. In Warcraft, the trolls stood normally on two legs, but here they are only mobs.
The undead, of course, were drawn to look more undead-like, but I prefer the classic designs, and the tongue sticking out of their mouths is not amusing. However, this is purely my opinion regarding the undead.
The blood elves have become… well, blood elves. Nothing more to say.
The goblins, from thin, long-nosed, and floppy-eared pranksters, have turned into equally long-nosed, floppy-eared, pot-bellied creatures and now resemble green hobbits. I won't even mention that their mechanical development in Cataclysm went beyond all reasonable limits.
As for the humans, I'll say this: no matter what you do with a man, you'll end up with a paladin. Women are still okay.
The Draenei space marines are also not great. Yes, something new was needed. But it would have been possible to come up with another race in the same setting. WHY do we need to see Draenei mark II and be told that the Eredar, a proud and small tribe of powerful demons, are also Draenei, only mkIII? It's a shoddy job.
Against this background, the worgen really stand out as something fresh and completely new.
The bear-cats have turned from muscular chimeras into funny, pot-bellied creatures.
I could go on for a long time, but why bother? Notice that I only talked about the appearance, and I didn't write about the degradation of the world.
So, it turns out that they seem to have kept the style, but either different artists were drawing, or something else. I can't understand it, but they managed to spoil the world quite a bit. If in Warcraft, in addition to the funny appearance, there was a clear feeling that this unit is a powerful warrior and can stand up for itself, then in WoW, only the funny appearance remains. I don't like this.
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P.S. Forgot to sign, old Warcraft 1 player.
Pfft. Someone who's just interested in graphics, and even from a third-person perspective. That's just going to be bad. Tactical gameplay and beautiful visuals are essential.
Is an old-timer complaining? It's clear you haven't played Fallout 3. It has full 3D graphics, and that doesn't stop Fallout from being Fallout. And in general, this top-down view system in RPGs is already outdated. Moreover, it has well-known flaws – for example, the problem with isometric perspective, creating multiple levels in a building, and so on.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения! И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
Lord, don't provoke a "Fallout 3: is it Fallout or not?" debate. Top-down perspective in RPGs is thriving and will continue to thrive for a long time. And let everyone stick to their own opinion.
My Lord, don't provoke a "Fallout 3 is Fallout or not" debate.
And I'm not provoking anything, I mean something completely different.
The top-down perspective system in RPGs is thriving.
Hmm... Can you give me an example of something new?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения! И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
Did an old-timer start complaining? It's immediately obvious that you haven't played the third Fallout. It has full 3D graphics, and that doesn't prevent Fallout from remaining Fallout. And in general, this entire system with a top-down view in RPGs is already outdated. Moreover, it has well-known flaws – for example, the problem with isometry, creating multiple levels in a building, and so on.
Are you a fool or an idiot? 1. I played the third Fallout, and I like it, although I perceive it as a different game. 2. It hasn't become outdated, especially if you're playing as a SQUAD that you control YOURSELF. How did you imagine controlling an entire squad from a third-person perspective? There are, of course, such games, but I don't remember the names, but it's still not the same. And I don't need Swat with orders to companions.
Well, I can just imagine Lord Seth playing a fantasy game from a third-person perspective, switching between six characters in real time, managing to have each of them hit with a sword or mace. Haha.
And yes, there are no problems with the levels, etc. I doubt that in my game there would be trenches prepared by skeletons and zombies, haha. It would be more like Diablo. Surface and dungeons. Have you seen any problems with this in Diablo? I haven't.
I played the 3rd installment and I like it, although I perceive it as a different game.
I won't provoke a flame war.
especially if you play as a SQUAD that you control YOURSELF.
That's already outdated because the developers aren't just sitting around doing nothing with the AI.
there are, of course, such games, but I don't remember the names.
He doesn't remember Neverwinter anymore.
he plays a fantasy game from a 3rd-person perspective, switching between six characters in real time, managing to have each of them hit with a sword or mace.
As if you also controlled everyone in real time in the tactics game, lol.
It would probably be more like Diablo.
If Diablo were translated into 3D, it wouldn't suffer at all. Yes, and besides, have you noticed that there are, for example, no good grass textures or very few trees? This is what emphasizes those notorious problems that I listed. Yes, and there are also no multi-story buildings
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения! И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
Lord, Dragon Age, and the NWN you mentioned don't work? The third-person view is terribly inconvenient there. As for the AI, point out WHERE?! do the companions behave normally? Both in Neverwinter and DA, a mage is ready to unleash a meteor shower on a lone rat and then take out a crowd of werewolves one by one with a magic missile. Yes, the companions no longer just stand around, but use skills and spells, but blindly throwing everything at the enemies is not what I would call good AI. And no tactics will save you when Alistair (it happened yesterday) suddenly decides not to tank a crowd of enemies here, but to run to that mage on the other side of the screen. I got distracted for three seconds - the party is wiped. And yes, in tactics, I only used real-time, pausing very rarely.
That’s already outdated because the AI developers aren’t just sitting around doing nothing.
Outdated for whom? I, for example, don’t really like it when my characters start running away on their own and dying somewhere. Besides, what does “outdated” have to do with it when we’re talking about a game from my imagination? I can come up with anything I like.
He doesn’t even remember Neverwinter Nights anymore.
Bad troll, yes. And stupid.
Decided to control an entire squad from a third-person perspective? There are, of course, such games, the names of which I don’t remember, but it’s still not the same. In NWN, do you control an entire squad from a third-person perspective? In the first one, you can’t control the companions. In the second one, you can, yes... but playing NWN from a third-person perspective? You’d have to be something else to play like that. If that’s what you mean, I was talking about third-person games where you switch between characters and control each one. It’s a shooter about war, I played it a long time ago and don’t remember the name. There are four characters in it. A commander, a sniper, a sapper, and a medic, I think. They can only shoot on their own when there’s danger... although that’s not certain. And yes, the game is in real time. Now explain how you’re going to play with six melee fighters from a third-person perspective in real time? Especially since you used Gothic and Fallout 3 as examples, which don’t have a pause function.
As if you controlled everyone in Tactics in real time, lol.
I did control them. Although they did shoot on their own, of course. But in a fantasy game, there will mainly be melee fighters. In it, you’ll have to control everyone yourself, like in BG, for example
Ar, you're wrong about first-person shooters. Deadly Dozen and Republic Commando are quite well-made in terms of squad mechanics; I'm not even mentioning Rainbow Six. So why not do the same, but with swords? The only thing is, it would be a slasher, not an RPG, because the gameplay would be focused on something else. And Demon Stone is an example of that.
P.S. By the way, if someone tells me that I'm bringing up old games, then Diablo 3 will also have a top-down view. So, it's looking promising.
Demon Stone... pfft, it's garbage. I can't stand such games, even though it's based on the Heroes franchise.
And it's not reasonable to use shooters as an example either. I don't need a game where everyone has their own specialty, and you choose a character depending on the situation. There were games like that on the Dendy.
Now, imagine Gothic or Oblivion (the same as Fallout 3), which Lord used as examples. Now imagine you have six characters and you're playing in real-time, from a third-person perspective. Most of the characters are melee fighters. How would you play? Would you reach a tree with one, then the second, then the third, and so on? If enemies attack, will you play as one, and what will the others do? Will they stand around or run into the fight and die? No, thanks, that's not the kind of game I want. Besides, the third-person view would ruin the look of the city, the dungeon. Sometimes you want to look at a place from your own eyes, but usually, the view from above is more beautiful. Like in Fallout 2 or Tactics. (I'm not talking about realism now, about reflections in anything, water highlights, etc., but specifically about the drawing, details, colorfulness, atmosphere... how else can I call it?)
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