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I won't participate in the war if Russia acts as an aggressor, but when was that?

Let's imagine you find yourself in a war (either the 1st or the 2nd, whichever you prefer).

Well, if a bomber pilot is ordered to bomb the civilian population, then infantry and tank crews will also be ordered to shoot at the civilian population, so the job has nothing to do with it...

And in Afghanistan, troops were deployed to "stabilize the situation in the country," were they trying not to fall behind the USA?

The task of a bomber consists of ninety percent of bombing civilian rear areas.

But that's wrong. Such orders would not be given to infantry. Those who want to will shoot on their own, those who refuse will not be forced, because these are infantry. They are already expendable, and there is always a special attitude towards them. And a commander who gives such orders risks being shot on the spot by his own soldiers, or simply losing a significant portion of the soldiers under his command, and he cannot do anything about it. Such tasks are always given only to those who agree to them; the rest are not touched.
And giving such an order to tankers is foolish. They have a different task in battle, and ordering them to shoot at civilians is, firstly, a waste of expensive shells, and secondly, it's like ordering them to kill a dung beetle with an RPG.

Stalingrad was subjected to daily raids by German aircraft. In the burning city, workers' detachments, medical units, and fire brigades selflessly worked, providing assistance to the affected population. Evacuation took place in extremely difficult conditions. German pilots bombed the crossings and the embankment especially cruelly.

The evacuation of the population to the left bank was carried out by ships of the Stalingrad River Fleet and the Volga Military Flotilla under continuous bombardment. The German command, angered by the disruption of its plans, ordered the pilots to spare no one, even civilians. Thus, in the area of Staritsa on August 8, a passenger steamer "Kommunistka" hit a mine and sank. Of the 400 passengers, only 80 were rescued. But the most tragic event on the Volga was the death of the steamer "Iosif Stalin" (Captain I.S. Rachkov). On the night of August 27, taking advantage of the fog, three ships - "Paris Commune", "Mikhail Kalinin" and "Iosif Stalin", taking passengers, began to break through up the Volga. The last one was delayed in leaving, waiting for the late passengers. Near Akatovka, slightly north of Latoshinka, the first two steamers were fired upon from the shore by German-fascist troops, but they passed through. And the "Iosif Stalin", which was following them, ran aground and became an easy target for German tankers from the 14th Tank Corps. The cries and moans of women and children did not become an obstacle for them to complete the crime. Of the 1200 passengers and crew members, only a little more than 200 were rescued!

Yes, that's right. That's exactly how it was. If, of course, you have heard about the "cold" war.

Afghanistan is an independent sovereign state, and the Cold (and even hot) War between other countries is a war, and no troops from any other state have the right to cross its border.

Regarding Stalingrad, according to your own words, the USSR is to blame for the deaths of civilians because they didn't evacuate them to the rear.

But there were people among them. If you meant the shooting of the steamboat with tanks, keep in mind that the steamboat was being targeted, not the people. No one cares about wasting ammunition on equipment, but sending infantry inside the steamboat would result in the defenders tearing them apart in the narrow passages, so it's better to target houses, steamboats, and the like with large-caliber weapons, and then use machine guns when people emerge.

Naive. In any war, everyone doesn't care about anyone except themselves. And they went to Afghanistan, and, by the way, to Vietnam, Korea, etc., precisely because of their weakness.

That's not true, I didn't say that. They weren't killed by accident, but deliberately.

And if achieving success requires, for example, bombing a major railway junction, and there is a civilian population nearby, then the pilot is probably not to blame (his goal is not to kill civilians, but to disable the object), but first and foremost, the enemy, who did not evacuate the civilian population to a safe distance from the front line, and the civilian population itself should stay away from possible targets of enemy bombing...

What defenders? These were civilians fleeing the city...

The steamboat is just a minor thing; the goal was to kill civilians out of spite.
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During the siege of Leningrad, when the famine began, people tried to leave the city. The commander of the 18th Army reported this to Hitler, and he ordered the troops, and the infantry in particular, not to let anyone out of the city and to push them back into Leningrad, thus condemning them to starvation, and they carried out this order perfectly, including the infantry.

If soldiers were forced to attack machine guns with sabers, only because the command, which was looking at a globe at that moment, ordered them to attack and advance through minefields, and no one protested,

then what is there to say about them refusing to carry out an order against the civilian population.

Since they started it, they are the aggressors, including Russia as part of the USSR...

I was considering exactly such a scale. And what you provided is, excuse me, insignificant. Yes, this is war, no matter how you look at it. Yes, people die there too. But such wars do not require a mandatory additional draft, and reservists are not called up; the regular army and volunteers are enough. Such wars happen regularly in the world, and Russia is not spared either, regardless of who the aggressor is. But our country is too large to be fully mobilized for such a war. Therefore, I may not participate in this case; the choice remains with me. That's what I meant by my words.

It would be better to ask about the murder of civilians by their grandfathers. If they say that the infantry was forced to shoot at the civilian population, then I won't argue anymore.

I can't do it anymore.

As for the Soviet Union, I really don't know of any cases where soldiers of the Red Army were ordered to act against the civilian population, but if they were ordered to, they would have done it.

At least they raped German women like crazy...
and without any orders...

Germans are animals, and Russians are the superior race.