Having found yourself in a war...

Auto-translated

Hermit

That's not true, I didn't say that. They weren't killed by accident, but deliberately.

Your message:

Hermit

And if achieving success requires, for example, bombing a major railway junction, and there is a civilian population nearby, then the pilot is probably not to blame (his goal is not to kill civilians, but to disable the object), but first and foremost, the enemy, who did not evacuate the civilian population to a safe distance from the front line, and the civilian population itself should stay away from possible targets of enemy bombing...

Hermit

What defenders? These were civilians fleeing the city...

Heh. Corner the civilians and I'll see what you can do. A 15-year-old boy will tear your throat out with his teeth for his life, and I won't even talk about what women defending children are capable of. Attacking them with infantry in the narrow passages of a steamboat would result in too many casualties.

Hermit

The steamboat is just a minor thing; the goal was to kill civilians out of spite.
...
During the siege of Leningrad, when the famine began, people tried to leave the city. The commander of the 18th Army reported this to Hitler, and he ordered the troops, and the infantry in particular, not to let anyone out of the city and to push them back into Leningrad, thus condemning them to starvation, and they carried out this order perfectly, including the infantry.

Not out of spite. They just didn't consider them to be people. Read again what I wrote about the fascists in the previous post. And, by the way, Hitler's plan was to destroy 80% of the population of the USSR. Note that not the army, but the entire population. And all Germans were in favor of it.

Hermit

If soldiers were forced to attack machine guns with sabers, only because the command, which was looking at a globe at that moment, ordered them to attack and advance through minefields, and no one protested,

The commanders went with them. And this happened in the most extreme cases, more often in World War I, when ammunition ran out and the soldiers were surrounded. And attacking through minefields, as I already said, infantry are expendable. And that's why they are treated differently. And if you don't attack through a minefield now, tomorrow the enemy will gather their forces and break through your positions, that's all.

Hermit

then what is there to say about them refusing to carry out an order against the civilian population.

If they want to, they will refuse. Or, better yet, ask your grandfathers about killing civilians, and if they say that the infantry was forced to shoot civilians, then I will not argue anymore.

Hermit

Since they started it, they are the aggressors, including Russia as part of the USSR...

Read:

Knyaz_OMEGA

I was considering exactly such a scale. And what you provided is, excuse me, insignificant. Yes, this is war, no matter how you look at it. Yes, people die there too. But such wars do not require a mandatory additional draft, and reservists are not called up; the regular army and volunteers are enough. Such wars happen regularly in the world, and Russia is not spared either, regardless of who the aggressor is. But our country is too large to be fully mobilized for such a war. Therefore, I may not participate in this case; the choice remains with me. That's what I meant by my words.

Reading content in

Interface language