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Registered: 11/11/2009 7:59 PM UTC

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4/18/2011 11:43 AM UTC #2630

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Found some time and tested it.

Moner's stats: 6, 4, 2, 1, expert in offense and tactics.

40 fey, 10 air elementals, 6 water elementals, 5 fire elementals, 4 earth elementals, 2 mind flayers, 2 phoenixes. It's taken down quite easily without a blessing, and the phoenixes remain.

The setup is as follows:

Round 1: minus earth - water. We take out the retaliation with fire elementals and then attack with everything. 4 phoenixes remain.
Round 2: usually takes out a mind flayer or attacks the air elementals (something like 5-7 of them). We take out the retaliation with fey and attack. 2-3 phoenixes remain.
Round 3: Phoenixes attack mind flayers or air elementals. We take out the retaliation (if there's anything left) and attack.

Features:
- except for the last round (4th/5th), our phoenixes weren't touched even once.
- about 1 out of 15 times in the first round, the phoenixes attack the mind flayers.
- morale in the second round isn't scary; both phoenixes still come out.
- if 5 phoenixes remain after the first round, nothing changes; they just kill 2 mind flayers.

So, with a standard setup and without a blessing, you can definitely try it

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Registered: 11/5/2009 11:56 AM UTC

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4/18/2011 2:19 PM UTC #2631

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looks beautiful (you can replace the fish and earth with butterflies), but without tactics, it's not that simple, and not every setup will allow you to hoard resources like that! On average, if birds are deployed, it's either with the last of your money or with very little left over. Buying fire, earth, psionic creatures, and birds requires a good amount of money, plus you need to have some extra in reserve! Besides the reserve, you also need a setup that's above average.

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Registered: 11/23/2007 11:24 AM UTC

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4/18/2011 5:14 PM UTC #2632

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I took that tactic a couple of times, first sending a mage with 6 units of Fey into it (once with Ciel, and the second time, I placed a 2nd-level magic user – Lightning – in the Fortress).
In my opinion, it's better to lose a hero than to lose those pesky air units.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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Registered: 10/16/2007 6:22 AM UTC

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4/18/2011 5:43 PM UTC #2633

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Captain

I used this tactic a couple of times, first sending a mage with 6 units of mana into it (once with Ciel, the second time, in the Tower, I placed a 2nd-level mage with the Lightning spell).

And did Ciel also attack with Lightning?

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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Registered: 4/29/2007 10:30 AM UTC

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4/18/2011 6:00 PM UTC #2634

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Captain

I've taken that tactic a couple of times, first sending a mage with 6 points in Fire magic into it (once with Ciel, the second time I placed a 2nd level mage with Lightning magic in the Fortress).
In my opinion, it's better to lose a hero than to lose those pesky air elementals.

I never thought you wouldn't know such basic things ©.
Fire birds are immune to ranged attacks.

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4/18/2011 7:14 PM UTC #2635

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RomarioGrom

(you can replace fish and earth with butterflies)

No, because then the chickens will attack the Psionic creatures. The Mushroom is a must :(

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4/18/2011 9:12 PM UTC #2636

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RiMpel2

No, because then the chickens will attack the Psionic creatures. The Mushroom Shrine is essential :(

Can we swap the positions of the Psionic creatures and the Fairies in the setup? Also, the 1-round payout of Fish and Earth Elementals seems a bit excessive. Maybe replace Fish + Fish? Or perhaps 20 Fairies each?

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Registered: 11/23/2007 11:24 AM UTC

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4/19/2011 6:23 AM UTC #2637

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Dirty_Player

I never thought you wouldn't know such basic things ©.
Firebirds are immune to ranged attacks.

Are you reading and wanting to see something that isn't in my text? ;)
There's Alagar with Ice Bolt, there are trainers, and there's Ciel with water magic.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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4/19/2011 9:13 AM UTC #2638

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Captain

Are you reading and wanting to see something that isn't in my text? ;)
There's Alagar with Ice Lightning, there are trainers, and there's Ciel with water magic.

So, are you trying to excuse yourself? Just say you messed up. In general, the idea of hit-and-run is correct, but it won't always work due to the lack of level 2 magic.

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4/19/2011 3:44 PM UTC #2639

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Dirty_Player

Could you swap the positions of the Psionicists and Fairies in the deployment? Also, the 1-round damage output of the Fish and Goblins seems a bit high. Maybe replace Fish + Fish? Or perhaps 20 Fairies each?

I don't think that's possible. 3+3 Fish will deal less damage than 2 Psionicists, and since 6 Chickens can destroy a stack, they will likely choose the Psionicists.

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4/19/2011 5:29 PM UTC #2640

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RiMpel2

I don't think so. 3+3 fish will deal less damage than 2 Psions, and since 6 chickens can take down a stack, they will most likely choose Psions.

Damn, we swap Psions with Fairies so that they can't even be touched in the first round.

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4/19/2011 5:56 PM UTC #2641

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What’s the point? In the first round, we attack with these stacks: birds, air units, and psionic creatures (because the chickens will kill 40 fairies and stand against the wall, so you can only attack with three without leaving them vulnerable for the next round). That means we’ve already dealt 3/4 of the damage from the first attack strategy. In the second round, there are at least 5 birds, which means minus 2 psionic creatures (because the remaining three fish won’t be attacked). So, after the retaliation, we attack with two stacks (air units and birds). There are 4 units left (roughly, because I don’t think 450 hit points can be taken down in 5 attacks). The 4 units finish off the remaining air units and birds. We’ll definitely lose one.

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4/19/2011 6:20 PM UTC #2642

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RiMpel2

(since the chickens will kill 40 fairies and stand against the wall (or ceiling), you can only attack with three, without planning for the next round).

Are you sure they will play like that? If so, place the fire mages above. Please upload the save file.

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4/19/2011 6:27 PM UTC #2643

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They have 3 objectives: - 3+3 fish - 5 fire elementals - 40 pixies Pixies are the most dangerous unit here, so they will likely target them (although I might be wrong, maybe 3+3 fish are more dangerous?). I don't have a save file; I just formatted my hard drive and haven't even installed Heroes yet (so I can't test it). Create a scenario based on the description above. If we swap the fire elementals and pixies, we'll get an increase in damage from the fire elementals (up to a maximum of 36), while the pixies deal something like 38-76 damage. So, even with the extra damage, it won't be possible to finish off the remaining unit in a single round.