Offline tournament "Evil Lands". — Tournament history (offline)

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Offline Tournament "Evil Lands".

TOURNAMENT RULES

1. To participate in the first offline tournament, "Best of the best," you must register on our website www.heroesworld.ru and submit an application in this thread.

2. The tournament will be held on the Russian version of Heroes 1 (Platinum from Buky).

3. Each player can only submit one final save! (Repeatedly submitted saves will not be considered!)

4. The submitted save must contain the tournament number (1), the participant's tournament number, and the abbreviation (ZZ - Evil Lands), as well as the player's nickname.

Example:

1_1_ZZ_Admin.GM1

1_2_ZZ_VDV_forever.GM1

5. Along with the submitted save, it is mandatory to provide a description of the last step (battle with a hero, battle for a castle, capturing an artifact, defeating the last monster) after which the victory or scenario completion occurs.

6. Cheating programs, codes, and any additional programs that allow you to change the game structure are PROHIBITED!

7. The result will be evaluated primarily based on the shortest time. If several players have equal times, the best will be determined by the sum of primary skills (attack, defense, magic, knowledge) INCLUDING WORN ARTIFACTS; if a favorite still cannot be determined, then by the amount of mercury.

8. You can only dig up the Grail when the puzzle map is fully revealed.

9. Send saves to the email address VDV_forever@BK.RU

10. Applications are accepted until November 14, 2006.

11. In case of suspicion of cheating or other malicious intent during gameplay, it is necessary to save every day.
In this case (detection of cheating), the player must send additional saves and provide a description of the playthrough to determine whether the play was fair or not, to the tournament organizer. The results of a player who played unfairly will be disqualified, and their further participation in tournaments will be impossible. This will also affect their reputation negatively.

12. Discussion of the tournament during its course is welcome!!!
(Players who follow this rule will automatically earn my recognition:). Just please do not reveal your final result until the end of the tournament.

13. The tournament starts on October 25th and lasts until November 15th (inclusive!). The results will be announced on November 17th.

14. After receiving your save, we will notify you via email at our website http://www.heroesworld.ru/

P.S. I wish all participants good luck with the game and most importantly VICTORY!

P.S.S. If there are any additions or comments, please don't hesitate to express them so that we can minimize disagreements and shortcomings in the process of conducting the tournament

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS for the Offline Tournament "Evil Lands"!
NUMBER	PLAYER NICKNAME
1	VDV_forever
2	Qwerty
3	Prorock
4	Sergh
5	Zingel
6	Alan
7	Celt
8	AlexeyPank
9	DarkMavr
10	IronAxe

This list may be added to with new participants!
We invite everyone to participate in the tournament!

Saves will only be considered from players who are on this table, so submit your applications IN ADVANCE!!!

All about the starting
save

Starting
save

starting October 25th, download the save:
1.gm1 - difficulty level is hardest 150%

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Zingel

19 years ago

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What a debate! :) The responsibility for controlling cheating lies with the tournament organizer. If a participant is suspected of cheating, the rules allow for a request for daily save files, and outside the rules (or perhaps even within the rules) a description of suspiciously completed moments. A complete walkthrough is possible only with the leader's consent. No one can force this outside the established rules - only voluntary agreement. P.S. Whether you are a cheater or not is, first and foremost, a matter of the player's conscience, and secondly, the organizer's. Such individuals should be immediately expelled, banned, and shamed, but only after this has been proven. However, unintentional violations of the rules sometimes occur; in such cases, the result is simply not counted.

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Prorock

19 years ago

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Zingel;46008

What a lot of sophistry! :)
The organizer of the Tournament is responsible for controlling cheating. And if a participant is suspected of cheating, the rules allow them to be asked to provide daily saves, and outside the rules (or maybe even within the rules) to describe the suspiciously completed moments. And a complete description of the Walkthrough is already with the consent of the leader. No one can force this outside the rules. Only voluntary consent.

P.S. Whether you are a cheater (a goat) or not is, first of all, a matter of the player's conscience, and secondly, a matter of the organizer's conscience. Such people should be immediately expelled, banned, and shamed, but only after this has been proven.
However, there are cases of unintentional violation of the rules; in such cases, the result is simply not counted.

And the ideology of the Tournament is to determine who is the best player at the moment.

AFTER THAT, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD!!!
THE ORGANIZER IS BOTH THE JUDGE AND THE REGULATOR!

THANK YOU, Zingel, for explaining things to the person - I no longer have the strength for this chatter.

THERE ARE MEASURES TO DETECT CHEATING - LET'S NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL!
PERSONALLY, I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN SUCH TOURNAMENTS!
I HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GOAL - IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE IDEOLOGY: THE BEST OF THE BEST!

I am not going to waste my precious time proving that I am not a GOAT!

THANK GOD, WE HAVE ENOUGH TOURNAMENTS BEING HELD!

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Dear users, there's no need to apologize, it's okay!

Firstly, nothing has been implemented yet!
Secondly, if something like that happens (mandatory description for the participant who takes 1st place), it will only be as an ALTERNATIVE to the saves that he must provide to the judge;
Thirdly, I'm REALLY WAITING FOR THE REST OF THE SAVES!

P.S. I'm taking 3 days off work specifically to successfully summarize the results of the 1st tournament and launch the 3rd tournament, and you're complaining.

Let's live in peace!

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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VDV_forever;46030

Secondly, if this is implemented (mandatory description for the participant who took 1st place), it should only be as an ALTERNATIVE to the save files that he must provide to the judge;

VDV_forever! I am satisfied that you are considering introducing a mandatory description for 1st place as an alternative to save files. You seem to understand that save files and a description are not the same thing. You cannot repeat a walkthrough based on save files, and it is not always possible to determine if save files were used for cheating. With a description, you can not only repeat the walkthrough but also determine the legitimacy of the playthrough.
The second positive aspect of a leader's description is its contribution to the education of beginners and not only beginners.

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Prorock;46027

I am not going to waste my precious time proving that I am not a JERK!

Why are you so upset? Win first!

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Sergh

19 years ago

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IronAxe;46081

You can't replicate a playthrough based on save files, and it's not always possible to determine if save files were used with cheats. However, based on a description, you can not only replicate a playthrough but also determine its legitimacy.

It's not always possible to replicate a playthrough based on a description.
Just remember the situation with the "arrival" of the boat... :)
After all, your entire playthrough is based on this :D:D:D

Zingel

19 years ago

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10 participants have signed up, and about 7 of them will actually send in their save files. I hope I make it into the top five. 2 VDV_forever: Could you please tell me who sent in their save files?

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Prorock

19 years ago

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IronAxe;46081

Why are you getting so worked up – you haven’t even won yet!

I’ve been told about the kinds of situations that happen on other portals.

WE ARE BUILDING THIS PORTAL AND DON’T WANT TO SEE THE MANY NEGATIVE THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE!

Maybe where you’ve been, it’s acceptable, but it’s not acceptable here, and IT WON’T HAPPEN!

And regarding winning, I’ll give you some advice:
"Don’t underestimate your opponents, and don’t overestimate your own strength"

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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Zingel;46102

10 participants have registered, but only about 7 will actually send their save files.
I hope I make it into the top five :)

Let's hope so...:)

Zingel;46102

2 VDV_forever: could you please tell me who sent their save files?

IronAxe
Sergh
Zindel
AleyeyPank
VDV_forever:)

I'm eagerly awaiting the remaining save files! On November 16th, expect questions from me via PM regarding your save files:D (This doesn't apply to

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Prorock

19 years ago

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VDV_forever;46135

IronAxe
Sergh
Zindel
AleyeyPank
VDV_forever:)

I'm looking forward to the rest of the saves! On November 16th, expect questions from me in PM regarding your saves :D (This applies to not everyone).

Sincerely, VDV_forever

It's good that there turned out to be so many real players.
I PROMISE YOU THAT THE 6TH PARTICIPANT WILL DEFINITELY BE THERE!;););)

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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Zingel

19 years ago

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Prorock;46139

...
I PROMISE YOU that the sixth participant WILL DEFINITELY be included!;););)

Sincerely,
Prorock.

Maybe it's not necessary!?!?!? :D :D :D
Then I might not make it into the top five!!! :D :D :D

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Prorock

19 years ago

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Zingel;46143

Maybe it's not necessary?!? :D :D :D
Then I might not make it into the top five!!! :D :D :D

It is necessary, it is necessary:D :D :D
Why let such a result go to waste?;)
I promise I'll pull not ONLY you up;):D :D

...and...yes, I just remembered that I'm more likely to give a negative than a positive review;)

More details will be available tomorrow/the day after tomorrow!:)

Sincerely,
Prorock.

Мавр

19 years ago

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Dear VDV forever, please remove me from the Heroes of Might and Magic tournament because I don't have the required version of the game. :(
Next time...

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IronAxe

19 years ago

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Sergh;46089

It's not always possible to recreate a walkthrough based on the description alone. Remember, for example, the situation with the "arrival" of the boat... :)
After all, your entire walkthrough is based on this :D:D:D

I'm tired of explaining obvious things, honestly :(
In this case, the player must provide either a save file from the end of the day, after which the boat arrives, or a save file from the beginning of the day when it has already arrived. According to the rules, all players must keep save files for each day.
And that's good, but it would be even better to specify in the rules that save files for the beginning and end of each day should be kept. Why?
1. The player finishes the turns of day 1, saves, and advances the turn. At the beginning of day 2, they save again. If they now send a save file from the end of day 1, the judge, by advancing the turn, may get a situation that is different from the save file from the beginning of day 2 that the player has (for example, the AI will make different moves).
2. To prevent this, I suggest the following:
The player finishes the turns of day 1, SAVES, IMMEDIATELY loads this save file, and THEN advances the turn. They create a save file for the beginning of day 2. Now, when the judge receives the save file from the end of day 1, advances it, they will, with a higher probability, get a situation that accurately corresponds to the beginning of day 2.

Who doesn't believe it? Let's test this. I can send a save file from the end of day 7. If you load it on your computer and advance the turn, you should see the yellow boat arrive at the shore. I tested this on two computers. I took this save file, went to another computer, and advanced the turn, and the boat arrived. Then I tried to reload this save file at the end of the seventh day, trying to get a situation where the boat would not arrive, BUT, it still arrived :)

But just in case, for my own peace of mind, it's still best to keep save files for the beginning and end of each day. And it would be best to reflect this in the rules so that there are no ambiguities.
In this case, the judge can request two save files from any day (beginning and end) and clearly recreate that day based on the description, and in fact, they can request any of the days SELECTIVELY according to this scheme, so as not to ask the player for literally all the save files for each day. But in this case, the player must provide a description of how to play that day so that the judge understands exactly what needs to be done.

Yeah, it's probably hard to understand, but who has it easy these days?

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Prorock;46115

I was told about the situations that happen on other portals.

Who told you this and why, you are an expert on what's happening there.

Prorock;46115

Maybe where you were, it's acceptable, but it's not acceptable here, and IT WON'T HAPPEN!

Enough with the slogans. We'll catch up and surpass, we'll teach newcomers in practice, but when it comes to accepting the necessary point in the rules about providing a description by the leader so that the same newcomers can learn from it, you hide? Hmm, keep it up.

Prorock;46115

And regarding the victory, I'll give you some advice:
"Don't underestimate your opponents, and don't overestimate your own strength"

I don't need your advice, I've heard enough already, although this last one seems okay, but I knew that even without you. I've won and lost in my time, so I'm ready for anything and won't cry :D

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Prorock

19 years ago

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IronAxe;46213

Who told you that and why? After all, you are an expert yourself and know what's going on.

Unfortunately, not everywhere... or rather, even fortunately... :)

IronAxe;46213

Enough with the slogans. We'll catch up and surpass, we'll teach newcomers in practice, but when it comes to implementing the necessary point in the rules regarding providing descriptions by the leader, so that newcomers can learn from them, you disappear? Hmm, keep it up.

We'll catch up and surpass when there's something to catch up with!
And those who want to learn and have already learned a lot.
A DESCRIPTION is an instruction on what and how to do, OR IS IT NOT TRUE!?
And the LEARNING PROCESS involves making the player completely independent, not just following the leader's results.
An individual strategy should be developed through trial and error.
There is no ideal tactic for completing Tournaments; you need to adapt to them using the basics.
Thanks to this, I won a couple of Tournaments from scratch in a month, and now I even want to reach for the stars...
And all thanks to the school, which was built precisely on these principles... principles of assessment, analysis of the situation, and decision-making.
But not through copying!

IronAxe;46213

I don't need your advice; I've heard enough, although this last one seems okay, but I knew that even without you. I've won and lost in my time, so I'm ready for anything and won't cry :D

Don't cry, dear :D :D :D
You won't cry everything out at once... :D :D :D

Listen, I have a question for you:
Does the computer behave somewhat chaotically? Sometimes it comes on boats, sometimes it doesn't.
I only played once, and it came to me on day 5 or 6.

But after reading AlxeyPank's post, I decided to check...
Indeed, the second time it didn't want to come to me...

On what day did it come to you?

Sincerely,
Prorock.