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If humanity creates such problems, does that prove its progressiveness? In my opinion, the best thing a person can do is to renounce the title they have given themselves: "King of Nature" and "Center of the Earth."

I agree, this title doesn't suit modern humans:(

There won't be an end of the world; people will make the Earth uninhabitable on their own. Moreover, not only people will die out, but all living things.

This is the end of the world; first, there will be natural disasters (Example: the tsunami in Southeast Asia, Hurricane Katrina), and then diseases.

And after that, to talk about people being like God?

They were, but after the forbidden fruit, they stopped being.

He simply loves us so much that he allows us to even engage in suicide and doesn't interfere.

No, he helps us, but a person who has turned away from God falls under the influence of the devil, and he forces suicide

I agree, this title doesn't suit a modern person:(

No, it helps us, but a person who has distanced himself from God falls under the influence of the devil, and he is the one who forces suicide.

1. Does it suit people from ancient Rome??? Yes, Rome was drowning in debauchery and homosexuality!
2. Have you ever thought that if God appeared to people one day, they wouldn't distance themselves from him. Perhaps He simply doesn't care about us.

1. Is it suitable for people from ancient Rome??? Rome was drowning in debauchery and homosexuality!
2. Have you ever thought that if God appeared to people one day, they wouldn't distance themselves from him. Perhaps He simply doesn't care about us.

1 This title suits the elves from the nature faction in Heroes 4.
2 Have you ever thought that God is testing a person's will, their faith in God?;)

1. This title suits the elves from the nature faction in Heroes 4.
2. Have you ever thought that God tests a person's will, their faith in God?;)

1) I disagree. Why so?:(
2) Nothing to add, just +1:)

Yeah, it's been a while since I checked in on this "philosophical" discussion... I have a lot to say, but I probably won't, because another opinion won't change anything. You've already butted heads so much that sparks are flying, and you can't convince anyone anyway... and that's right, everyone should have their own firm position on such important issues.

P.S. The only thing I believe in is luck.

I also believe in God without any proof and advise everyone to do the same.

Everyone can decide for themselves; we have a secular society with freedom of conscience.

I’m not ordering anyone to do anything. And by the way, no one can order anyone else. God created people to be free. This is just a piece of advice, which I hope can be helpful.

Well, I guess I'll add my two cents: history doesn't deal in hypotheticals; everything that has happened and is happening in Russia has clear reasons behind it; the main thing is to see them. "If Alexander II had been given another ten years on the throne...we would have seen..." Alexander II, the "Liberator," liberated the peasants from the land, that is, from the land that was assigned to EACH peasant according to the Zemstvo land regulations and that he inherited by RIGHT. By depriving the peasants of their property rights to the land in one day, effectively ruining them, the emperor immediately organized special state agricultural banks, where peasants, for a considerable interest, would rent their FORMER OWN land. Thus, the impoverished peasant masses, who suddenly found their existence meaningless, flocked to the cities, forming the very proletariat, that is, the class of the impoverished, who, receiving meager wages for their unskilled labor, gave impetus to the development of Russian industry's capitalization. Another group of peasants, with the support and subsidies of the government, moved to the Far East, where the state resettlement program directed the flow of people with the aim of strengthening its newly acquired borders (see the texts of the Treaty of Aigun and the Treaty of Beijing) with human resources.
And the constant deficit of the state treasury forced Alexander II to sell Alaska to the United States, although, at that time, few people saw much point in its possession... And, by the way, Russia also had possessions on the coast of California, but that's a completely different story...:rolleyes:

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and also: when we look for those to blame, especially among the bureaucracy and managers, all these bribe-takers, extortionists, and corrupt officials, let's remember that our relatives, close ones, and friends are among them, and soon we will become like them when we grow up. Therefore, when we shout: "down with bribe-takers and wolves in uniform," we should pat ourselves on the back of the head so that we don't become them ourselves:) :)

The day when God reveals himself to the world will be the last day of the world. For a part cannot contain the whole. And God's love is also manifested in the fact that he does not reveal himself to us. The Devil is also a former angel, a creation of God. And he performs the function given to him by God. He does not tempt people to distract them from God. The Devil also has a hard time, because he is blamed for everything. And maybe he is just a tired angel. God will never punish him, because he loves the Devil too.

Alexey, this is a very complex topic, it’s better to remain silent, because God’s ways are inscrutable, and we can only guess about them.

I agree. But I still believe that God doesn't mind. And people make history, and God doesn't interfere because he loves us. The fact that he gave us free will doesn't mean that we will be judged for it later.

. The Devil is, after all, a former angel, a creation of God. .

Note that the highest angel was equal to the Archangel Michael. Lucifer was the best angel (if I'm not mistaken), but he wanted to become a god himself and persuaded the angels who were subordinate to him to do the same. These angels later became devils, demons, and so on.

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And he is fulfilling the function given to him by God. .

He was fulfilling it, before his fall.

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But he is not tempting people to distract them from God. .

No, he is tempting them. He harbors hatred towards the human race, which was created in the image of God, and he tempts people so that they will suffer as he does.

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The Devil also has it hard, because he is blamed for everything. .

Because he is largely to blame.

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God will never punish him, because he loves the Devil too.

This is already a distortion of Christianity; heretics were burned at the stake for this. God does not punish him so that there would be a test for human souls.

Otherwise, how can you tell if a person deserves to live in Haven or not?

Or, he thinks we’re not kids anymore and should be able to handle our problems ourselves.

In general, I believe that God doesn't exist, and humanity is heading towards a stinking abyss...