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Allow me to continue my argument. 1) Regarding the statement that the Sorceress in the first game was a prototype for the Mages, I think I misspoke. It's more of a mix, with units from the Elves, but with a meaning, and, by the way, with a hero from the Mages. If you compare it to Ashan, then it's approximately what the Mages are. "Good Mages are not good," someone said? And are the Empire people really so good that they drove the Orcs away for no reason, making slaves of them? And what makes the Dark Elves evil, that they chose their own path, different from others? No, morality has nothing to do with it. The fact that the Mages use darkness and chaos is a flaw of the authors. The Undead, who, in theory, revere darkness, ultimately don't use it at all. So, here you need to use a very clear table: Humans - Demons Mages - Undead High Elves - Dark Elves Dwarves - Orcs Logically, good magic is closest to the Mages and the High Elves. 2) Here's the thing: the game's style has changed, which is bad. Changes, especially radical ones, should only be made when (almost) everything possible has been extracted from what is available. In the case of the Undead, Demons, and Orcs, the style has been radically changed. The Demons, for example, have gone from being quite pleasant-looking, beast-like, hellish creatures, which is approximately what demons should be, to a hodgepodge of aliens and magma elementals. In other words, they have lost their appeal and have simply become monsters that you just want to destroy. The Undead have also adopted some kind of repulsive style; some elements (ghouls, lamassu) make you want to vomit, and others (spiders) make you want to smash your monitor. In general, they are not attractive and are repulsive in appearance. The Orcs have also been disfigured in some units (shamans, cyclops); the cyclops has nothing left of its original form, and the shaman is not an Orc, but, excuse me, some kind of prototype, you know what I mean... Where is the fantasy? Where is the exciting, all-consuming, fairy-tale spirit of fantasy? Only in the Humans remains... and that's it. Two out of my three favorite factions have been disfigured. Fail.
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Forgive me, O All-Knowing One about what Heroes should be, but:
1) Did I say something about the Elves?
2) Yes, the Imperials enslaved the Orcs, but the Mages didn't, and the Beastmen were also very happy serving the Mages, so happy that they rebelled, right.
3) The original table, especially the Dwarves-Orcs, who don't really interact with each other. And the fact that Humans actively fought with Orcs and Necromancers, and Demons fought with everyone - that's nothing, right.
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2) That’s what it boils down to. The game’s style has been changed, which is bad. Changes, especially radical ones, should only be made when (almost) everything possible has been extracted from what is available.
For example, the style of the Undead, Demons, and Orcs has been radically changed. The Demons, for example, have changed from rather pleasant-looking, beast-like hellish creatures, which is approximately what demons should be, into a motley crew of aliens and magma elementals. In other words, they have lost their appeal and have simply become monsters that one just wants to destroy.
The Undead have also adopted some kind of repulsive style; some elements (ghouls, lamassu) make you want to vomit, and others (the spider) make you want to smash your monitor. In other words, they are generally not appealing and are repulsive in appearance.
The Orcs have also been disfigured in some units (shamans, cyclops); the cyclops has lost all resemblance to its former self, and the shaman is not an Orc, but rather, excuse me, some kind of prototype; you know what I mean.
Where is the fantasy? Where is the captivating, all-consuming, fairy-tale spirit of fantasy? Only the Humans remain… and that’s it. Two out of my three favorite factions have been disfigured. Fail.

It’s all just shouting, spitting, regurgitating breast milk on the monitor, and diarrhea on the fan.
It seems that you have grasped the ultimate truth (although the truth was screaming and resisting).

I think I’ll wait for the game to be released, play it for a day or two, and then I’ll express my opinion on the graphics and everything else. Judging a game based on individual static images is an ungrateful and hopeless task. You’ll only make yourself look like a complete idiot.
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Actually, the mountains look a bit strange in the new screenshot. They remind me of deserts.
They seem normal, quite ordinary:smile32:. But what is that temple that looks like a hydra:confused:
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1) Regarding the statement that the Sorceress in the first game was a prototype for the Mages, I think I misspoke. It's more of a mix, with units from the Elves, but with a meaning, and, by the way, with a hero from the Mages. If you compare it to Ashan, then that's approximately what the Mages are.
Good Mages are not good, someone said? And are the Empire people really so good that they drove the Orcs away for no reason, making them slaves? And what makes the Dark Elves evil, that they chose their own path, different from others? No, morality has nothing to do with it. The fact that the Mages use darkness and chaos is a flaw of the authors. The Terrors, who are supposed to revere darkness, ultimately don't use it at all. So, you need to use a very clear table:
Humans-Demons
Mages-Necromancers
High Elves-Dark Elves
Dwarves-Orcs
Logically, good magic is closest to the Mages and High Elves.
Nonsense from someone still trying to justify their mistake.
2) Here's the thing. The game's style has been changed, which is bad. Changes, especially radical ones, should only be made when (almost) everything possible has been squeezed out of what's available.
That's your opinion. I, for example, believe that endlessly grinding the same thing is definitely not a good idea. A crazy fan of one part will always return to it; a person open to new things will accept it if the implementation is good.
Apparently, you would like everything in the sixth game to be like in the fifth, but with TEN MORE RACES. In my opinion, that's a pretty stupid approach, and it wouldn't work for many games.
For example, the Demons have become a bunch of rather unpleasant-looking, beastly hellish creatures, which is approximately what demons should be, along with a random assortment of aliens and magma elementals. In other words, they have lost their appeal and have simply become monsters that just make you want to destroy them.
The Necromancers have also switched to some kind of disgusting style; some of the elements (ghouls, lamassu) make you want to vomit, and others (spiders) make you want to smash your monitor. In general, they are also not appealing and are repulsive in appearance.
Nonsense from a schizophrenic.
Where is the fantasy? Where is the captivating, all-encompassing, fairy-tale spirit of fantasy? Only... that remains in the Humans. Two out of my three favorite factions have been disfigured. Fail.
And here is the reason for all the lengthy texts and, hopefully, the trolling - a simple fanboy's butthurt. Deal with it.
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Ment
They already showed the Cyclops, they discovered America...
They didn't show the unupgraded version, I didn't expect it to be so different from the upgraded version, unlike the Shamans...
NikBond
2) So, what's the deal? The game's style has been changed, which is bad. Changes, especially radical ones, should only be made when almost everything possible has been squeezed out of what's available.
That's just nonsense, maybe they should just not change anything at all, just remake G1 or G2 or another game in the series with new graphics. What's so bad about the new style of the game?
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NikBond
Let me continue my argument.
...blah blah blah...
No credit.
There's a handy "collapse" button to the right of the section title; I use it for sections where I know I don't need to do anything. It's a useful feature.
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Poor troll, everyone is attacking him:3
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It's still the rambling of someone trying to justify their mistake.

That's your opinion. I, for example, believe that endlessly grinding the same thing is absolutely not worth it. A crazy fan of one part will always return to it; a person open to new things will accept it if the implementation is good.
Apparently, you would like the sixth game to be exactly like the fifth, but with TEN MORE RACES. In my opinion, this is a rather stupid approach that would only work for a few games.

The ramblings of a schizophrenic.

And here is the reason for all the long texts and, I hope, the trolling - a simple fanboy's hurt feelings. Deal with it.
1) It's not a mistake, it's the truth.
2) No, I don't need the fifth game with new races. I need a game that is a logical continuation of the series. Changes are needed, definitely needed, but not on such a scale. Radically changing the game's style is simply stupid. Why do this if there is already a ready-made, more interesting, and less nonsensical one? Why couldn't they leave the demons in hell, the orcs as barbarians, and not add vomit-inducing ghouls and lamias to the necromancers?
3) Explain yourself in Russian, I don't understand your lurid language.
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NikBond
2) No, I don't need Heroes 5 with new factions. I need a game that is a logical continuation of the series. Changes are needed, definitely, but not on such a scale. Radically changing the game's style is simply stupid. Why do this if there is already a ready-made, more interesting, and less absurd one?
It all boils down to the fact that there is no need to make a new game; a good one already exists.
NikBond
3) Explain yourself in Russian; I don't understand your lurid language.
Study the subject!
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Vayshan
There's a handy "collapse" button to the right of the section title; I use it for sections where I know I won't have anything to do. It's a useful feature.
This is exactly the kind of section where there's something to do. As I thought. But there are some rather inadequate people here who consider anyone who thinks differently to be a troll and try to belittle them. Are they just internet thugs, or is it a Russian mentality?

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It all boils down to the fact that you shouldn't make a new game; there's already a ready-made one.

Learn the basics!
1) The old game gets boring. You need to make a new one. But do it like adding a new animation frame in Flash. Don't redraw everything from scratch, but carefully fix the shortcomings and add new details. Of course, do it with quality, taking care of the quality of the artwork.
For those who don't understand, I'll explain: add a new faction or not, improve the quality of the graphics, make cosmetic changes to the style, add some kind of feature, rework the faction composition, add new units, new skills, artifacts, magic, hero abilities, objects on the map, and possibilities in battle and on the map.
2) I know the basics necessary for communicating on the internet. I don't know and don't want to know all sorts of sophisticated terms from lurk... sites.
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For those who don't understand, let me explain: add a new faction or not, improve the quality of the graphics, make cosmetic changes to the style, add some unique feature, rework the faction composition, add new units, new skills, artwork, magic, hero abilities, objects on the map, and possibilities in battle and on the map.
Well... that's basically what the developers have been doing all this time.
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NikBond
This is exactly the section where there's something to do, just as I thought. But there are some rather inadequate people here who consider anyone who thinks differently to be a troll and try to belittle them. Are they just internet bullies, or is it a Russian mentality?
NikBond, you just don't need to be so zealous. Many people aren't thrilled with the new game, but seeing only the bad in it isn't right. It must have some advantages, and besides, no one has played it yet, so I don't see the point in arguing. I'm sure that before the release of the fifth game, many people felt the same way about it as you do now about the sixth. But then you played it, and you liked it, and the fact that it wasn't connected to the previous parts didn't seem to bother you. So, there's no need to make a tragedy out of it.
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When the fifth installment was released, I didn't have internet access, and I wasn't even aware of the game. I also wasn't interested in fantasy. For me, the fifth game is like the third game for others – it's an idol that should be followed.
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When the fifth installment came out, I didn't have internet access, and I didn't even know about the game. I also wasn't interested in fantasy. For me, the fifth game is like the third game for others – that is, an idol that should be followed.

Don't worry so much; no one will take away your fifth game, and no one will force you to play the sixth one.

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