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By the way, things are looking very optimistic.
The roads have almost dried out – in a couple more days, we’ll be able to confidently continue our journey. That should be enough time to finish the remaining tasks.

So, we are close to victory!!=)) The main thing is not to relax!
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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The One...
Well, it seems the sorceress never actually visited him, judging by the descriptions of the nights....

And who the sorceress is – it's already quite obvious:rolleyes:

And it's not just you, judging by the numerous hints on this topic. Apparently, I'm the only one who's taking so long to figure it out... After the game, please explain the details to me.
The One...

Now, about the description of the night. It's clear that a paladin killed him. So, searching for clues is pointless. A dark knight of Ple-sen was killed. I think the frost and freezing are clues pointing to the paladin, not a description of the method of killing. Although I might be wrong...
The GM described the method of killing very clearly – sword fighting. "Here's a lunge, a parry, then a step to the side and a feint. Another step to the side, and then he misses a blow from the right. See the bloodstains? He steps back... another blow, another block, here's a turn and a powerful lunge. Yes, this lunge was the one that killed him."
Yes, the frost and ice are clues, and again, very obvious ones.
The One...

Next – Ara had a sorceress. If we don't see any clear and persistent suggestions to execute him, then I think he's doing well... Or at least has a good status... Right?

There's a big difference, actually. Unfortunately, the necromancer also has a good status.
The One...

I had a ranger, and Vegtam, I think, had a thief. (or a bard? – what do you think?)

So, for me, the only question right now is: did Vegtam have a bard or a thief? And it's actually a very important question.

Why is it so important? :confused:
The One...

And a thief would benefit from visiting our favorite lady with a sword – I think the mafia will be seeking revenge on her:(

It's better for a bard or a ranger to visit her. Otherwise, we'll have another maniac.
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Slonysh
And it's not just you, judging by the many hints on this topic. Apparently, I'm the only one who's slow to catch on... After the game, explain the details to me.

Okay... I'll explain.


There's a big difference, actually. Unfortunately, the Warlock also has a good status.
Yes... unfortunately...

Why is it so important? :confused:
For me, it's important... a lot depends on it...

It's better to bring a Bard or a Ranger. Otherwise, we'll have another maniac.
No... I'm waiting for the Ranger at my place again =)) I enjoyed spending the night with him:o
And about the Bard - yes, maybe... But the Paladin has natural defense + the ability to kill the attacker... So she'll be fine with a Thief + maybe you're right, a Bard.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Although, it could be the other way around... But the main thing is not to show up all together.

So, I'm listening to opinions... Who thinks which faction is better?:rolleyes:
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Eeeeh... I just checked with the GM, and it seems like the thief and paladin won't have much to do if the bard and ranger are in their positions... but will they even be there?
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Umm... I clarified with the GM, the rogue and paladin won't have much to do if the bard and ranger are in their positions... but will they be?

Well, the ranger will be there, but as for the bard - who knows... They might just show up together at the sorceress's place.:confused: And the paladin can defend with a 50% chance, I wouldn't risk leaving the issue of the maniac's appearance to such a probability.
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I am addressing the peaceful population (Happy, TaKo, Slonysh, Gur). Please note who removed Plesen (a negative player) from the gallows yesterday and the day before, and tried to shift the blame onto the unstable Mourinho. Here is a list of five people: Dariel Lynch, Neyra, Arandor, Koteyko, and Vegtam. The last two, Koteyko and Vegtam, are more likely to be positive than negative. However, the other three, Dariel, Neyra, and Arandor, are negative. If we find one real target with evidence, I will change my vote. For now, I am leaning more towards Arandor being negative, as that is a common tactic for mafia players: they vote and then deflect to avoid answering questions. Although, I admit there can be exceptions.

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Can you tell me what time the voting ends?
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Mourinho
I am addressing the peaceful population (Happy, TaKo, Slonysh, Gur).
I wonder, what is the basis for compiling the list of peaceful players? Regarding Happy, let's assume it's clear, but what about the others (especially Slonysh with a sharpened cooking spoon and a cup of tea under a strangely shaped hat :smile04:)?
Mourinho

Note who removed Mold (a negative player) from the gallows yesterday and the day before, and shifted the blame onto the unstable Mourinho.
Here is a list of five people: Dariel Lynch, Neyra, Arandor, Koteyko, and Vegtam.
The last two, Koteyko and Vegtam, are more likely to be positive than negative. But Dariel, Neyra, and Arandor are negatives.
And won't you enlighten us, why did the Mafia go to Dariel on the first night, from which he was saved by the Ranger? :smile48: Want to smoke a hookah?
Regarding Neyra, you really made me laugh after last night.
And one more question - on what basis are Koteyko and Vegtam called "more likely to be positive"?

Do you even have any justifications for your conclusions? I would be happy to listen to you, but arguments are provided only against Arandor, and regarding the others - unsubstantiated claims.
Mourinho
Can you tell me what time the voting ends?
At 3 a.m.
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I'd like to point out how carefully Mold was being removed from the list.
Specifically, when the required 6 votes had already been cast.
First, one person switched their vote to me. I then made it 6 against Mold again.
Then, another vote was removed from Mold, even though it was clear that we still wouldn't be executing anyone.
The question is, why remove votes from someone who has evidence against them?
It's done so that they (Mold) can go on a killing spree.
For me, the clear negatives are Ney, Dariel, and Arandor.
The first two because of their cunning voting.
And the third, Arandor, because of past evidence.
For me, the arrows are evidence. And they were mentioned a couple of times.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on some points. :(

After the second night, the last post from Arandor: "There's still time before 7 PM, so I'll think about it and probably vote later."
But he doesn't vote.

Okay, things happen, people have their own lives.

After the third night, he votes to execute Registrar, even though he calls the evidence dubious ("Although it's strange that so much evidence is piling up against him – yesterday there were two, today there are two, and some even have three, lol. Although, I don't like the hat evidence, because I watched South Park, and I can't call that thing on Butter's head a hat, especially a fur hat. Maybe it reminds someone of fur, but to me, it's strange. IMHO, it's even suspicious, as is the fact that no one is defending him") – I didn't understand at all what they were trying to prove with this post, something like "it doesn't look like he's guilty, but I'm voting for execution"?).
However, did he have a choice, given the unanimous vote? To go against everyone would only attract unnecessary suspicion. Isn't this the same fiery ball that the warlock used to burn his own assassin, so as not to expose himself?

After the fourth night, I connect the Mold-a evidence. Arandor says that this evidence is too obvious – it's strange, why didn't anyone mention this obviousness before me? :confused: Then Arandor "forgets" about this evidence and votes NNW (although on the first day, he executed Kyle based on completely obvious evidence, without being embarrassed by the obviousness).

After the fifth night, Arandor votes against Mold-a, but later (when there were already 6 votes for execution!) unexpectedly, without any evidence, switches his vote to Maurinho. That is, before that, he didn't like the apples as evidence – he said it was too obvious, but you can vote against Maur without evidence?! Where's the logic?
Arandor hopes that Mold-a will be executed by the paladin, although he is told that hoping for the paladin prolongs the mafia's life – it's better to hang the mafia during the day in parallel, rather than hope.

And as the culmination of everything, after a successful split of votes, as a result of which no one was hanged (although there were already 6 votes for execution!), Arandor says in a neighboring thread: "If you hadn't been so slow, you would have eliminated both of them in one day, but now it will take two." And this is said by the person who prevented the mafia from being hanged during the day!

All of the above is not evidence. If Ar is mafia, then he played it perfectly and without any mistakes. He can justify any of the described actions, and there were no obvious blunders or inconsistencies. But I still started to think.
And I wish the same for everyone.

I'm not voting yet, I have doubts.
I'm leaving the house in an hour, then I'll write. Maybe someone will suggest some smart ideas.

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And by the way, you, Maurinho, are still suspicious to me. You have such inconsistencies in your reasoning, as if three or four people are writing under your account. :smile04: Sometimes you notice accurately, like when Mold-a was saved, and sometimes you ignore the fact that Darel was attacked on the first night, and that Ney is already completely beyond suspicion today.
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Slohnish, explain it to me like I'm an idiot: why wasn't Ney suspected after that night?
You're right about Deriel; there was an attempt on his life on the first night. But he often complained about insomnia. Why was there an attempt on his life, but he wasn't killed?
And could the Mafia have blocked their own player to make him look innocent to us?
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Listen, do you really not understand, or are you pretending?
On the first night, the Mafia killed random peaceful players. Why would they focus on Derel? What's so special about him?
Mourinho
Sloys, explain to me like I'm an idiot, why Ney is not suspected after this night?
Read the description of the night.

Although, in any case, it's already too late. I'm leaving the house and I probably won't be back until 3 am.

Execute Mourinho.
even if he turns out to be a peaceful player... with friends like that, you don't need enemies
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For now, I'm leaning more towards the negativity of Arandor; mafia players often do this: they vote and then leave to avoid answering questions.
Does this mean I can't even visit during the game now?

After the fourth night, I associate the clue with Plesen-a. Arandor says that this clue is too obvious – it's strange why no one mentioned this obviousness before me. Then Arandor "forgets" about this clue and votes for NNW (although on the first day, he executed Kyle based on a completely obvious clue, without any hesitation).
The clue is easy, and that's a fact. I'm judging based on past games, including Zubr's games. If we talk about easy clues, then of course, the second mafia and the Witch mafia come to mind, where towards the end, she started giving easy clues about the mafia, but the town continued to be clueless and lost the game. In the other mafia games, the clues were of medium or very high difficulty (usually, only one real clue is found throughout the entire game). I don't know why the others didn't speak out about this, although Koteiko wrote that it's too obvious. I agree with him.
As for Kyle, he had a thief, and it was clear that the clue came from him, and therefore it was real, and Kyle was guilty (there were no doubts). But the thief didn't visit Plesen, because if he had, I think he would have pointed out the clue "apple," not "apple cider." What's the point of the thief coming up with such nonsense when he could do it easier? But for the GM, it's too easy, in my opinion. That's why I doubted him.
Everything is quite logical :)

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Arandor hopes that Plesen-a will be executed by the paladin, although he is told that hoping for the paladin prolongs the mafia's life – it's better to hang a mafia player during the day in parallel, rather than hope.
Why hope? Is the paladin stupid, that she won't kill him? She's on the town's side, and no one can stop her. That's why she came to him at night, as I said, and killed Plesen.

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Slonysh, it's strange to read accusations from you about Mourinho, because you were the first to vote against him and try to execute him, and now it turns out that others are to blame for this? They vote, agitate the people, and as soon as someone votes, they immediately start suspecting and accusing, even though I did the same thing as you. Your logic: Doesn't vote – mafia, votes – mafia. Well, what's the point? And if you remember, I didn't vote in the first round of votes against Mourinho, unlike you.

Be strong. Believe
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I find the following players suspicious: Vegtam, primarily because of his behavior in the game...
Second, Arandor, but only based on his behavior (I agree with everything Slonysh said in her post – that's what I'm basing my opinion on). But there's no direct evidence against him, so I'll wait before voting against him.
Initially, I also suspected Slonysh herself, but she gradually cleared up those suspicions through her gameplay...
Next, I'm not sure if Maurinho is a Mafia member, but he's acting strangely... Gur and Koteiko also seem suspicious to me.
And I'm absolutely sure about our good guys: Happy, Dariel, and Ney.

I think I've explained everything... Now, who should we execute? I need to think about it.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Execute Mau I have no idea when it will end, so I'll vote first). He should have been hanged yesterday, so there are negative feelings among those who didn't dare to change their vote.
Although you still have a chance to get out of it - write something that I will believe (the phrase *I am an evil mafia member* would be quite suitable).

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