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Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.

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Offline _golden_key_
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It is possible on all templates except for Jebus Cross.
I am a Новичок. I have little experience playing on ХВ and may not know some of the nuances that have developed in practice; for now, I only follow the letter of the rules. This question arose from me based on points 5.12 and 5.13.
What specific words in the rules confirm your statement? What rules are you talking about at all? I'm talking about these /topic/3515/

P.S. I am not going to assert my rights here. I will accept and comply with any decision by the AK (Arbitration Committee).
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The rules don't clearly state this, and since questions arise repeatedly, it's worth clarifying: using spells like "Dimension Door" and "Fly" to enter the opponent's territory is not prohibited, and therefore is allowed. The exception is the jebus template.

p. 5.10. "Wings of the Angel" can be used without any restrictions, as long as it doesn't contradict p. 5.13.
p. 5.13. I won't copy it here; it's about guarding objects, and the opponent isn't violating it.
In p. 5.12., it refers to shifted guards that cannot be bypassed (exception: templates with companions), but can be flown over.

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http://forum.heroesworld.ru/violations_system.php?do=view_details&user_id=14673
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Out of the two points in the rules that are highlighted in bold, one is this: "If there is no guard at the passage, including if it has been moved, it is permissible to freely move from one spawn point to another."
The fact that there is no one to fight if there is no guard seems obvious. Therefore, the only purpose of writing (and highlighting!) this particular provision was to try to indicate that single possible case in which one can move to another territory without a fight. I hope my logic doesn't seem perverse to everyone :) But, as it turns out, I didn't understand it as it should have been.
Apparently, the question can be considered closed. I admit my defeat and confirm the report (especially since the opponent is worthy, and I didn't have many chances in the game anyway :))
P.S. Guys, please make the rules understandable to beginners and, if possible, avoid double interpretations and eliminate the occurrence of similar situations.
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Offline Pit for LM
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Guys, please make sure that the rules are clear for beginners and, if possible, do not allow for double interpretations, eliminate situations like this from arising.
This is exactly what we are doing now in the topic New version of the rules.
A big request to all newcomers: don't be shy and ask all questions about unclear points there so that we can edit them. The "old-timers" have already become so accustomed to the rules that they simply don't notice mistakes, and a fresh perspective is very useful.
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http://file.qip.ru/file/wzUa_AZT/AUTOSAVE1.html Hello. In a game against an opponent, a question arose: how did he find the Grail on the map without a Shrine, after opening only 3 Obelisks? He claims he can find it with just one Obelisk. I think this is unfair gameplay. I'm attaching the save file.
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Offline RiMpel2
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It’s simple; there’s a specific technique, and one obelisk is enough.
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND, CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT IN MORE DETAIL, PLEASE? ACQ628185882

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http://file.qip.ru/file/ugNgH0ug/AUTOSAVE.html In this save, you can see how the opponent acquired the Grail on the first capture without even opening the map puzzle.
And if you compare this save with the first one I sent, you can see that the second and third attempts were made just for the sake of it. My save was preserved because there were problems with the game transfer; it didn't go past 84 percent, we restarted, and everything was fine.

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It's simple; there's a certain technique, and one obelisk is enough.
Will your technique work without obelisks?

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND, CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT IN MORE DETAIL, PLEASE? ACQ628185882

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http://file.qip.ru/file/ugNgH0ug/AUTOSAVE.html In this save, you can see how the opponent acquired the Grail on the first capture without even opening the map puzzle.
And if you compare this save with the first one I sent, you can see that the second and third attempts were made just for the sake of it. My save was preserved because there were problems with the game transfer; it didn't go past 84 percent, we restarted, and everything was fine.

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Will your technique work without obelisks?
and there are no stumps there, nothing that would give it away
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Offline Castiel
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I also know some techniques, like "open the save file and quickly change the game settings while the opponent is dealing with the issue of transferring the game to 84%" or "open the save file in another Heroes game in two windows while the opponent is taking their turn."
I recommend saving every day so that in case of suspicion after the game, there is an opportunity to see what and how happened. Although in our case, we were lucky with the save.
Everything is based on fair play; it's a matter of morality.
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They will fall like pears from a poplar tree ;)
Stop panicking over nothing.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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but will your technique work without the obelisks?

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and there are no stumps there, it's a place that doesn't give itself away in any way.


Listen, smart guy. I explained everything to you, what the technique is and how it works. It was clearly stated that the obelisk is needed to find the location! Without the obelisks, it's no longer my technique. Secondly, the stumps are there to make it clearer FOR YOU! They don't necessarily have to be there! The area with the Grail is determined by the mountain, stump, a couple of bushes, a road, etc. And if the place doesn't give itself away in any way, then I'm sorry, how do you even find the Grail when you've taken all the obelisks? This is already your poor attention to detail. P.S. I don't care at all whether someone cheated or not. I'm just saying that your accusations, in the absence of daily saves, are simply unfounded.

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I also know a technique, it's called "open the save and quickly enter the command for the Grail while the opponent is figuring out the problem with transferring the game to 84%" or "open the save in another Heroes game in two windows while the opponent is taking their turn."
I recommend saving every day so that in case of suspicion after the game, there is an opportunity to see what and how. Although in our case, we were lucky with the save.
Everything is based on fair play, it's a matter of morality.

You shouldn't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.

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And in general, the key thing here is
he says he can find it even with one obelisk

If he can, then he knows how. If he knows, what's the point of cheating?
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You can actually find the Grail without opening the obelisks. And without breaking any rules!
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There was a case, a long time ago, under the old Chaos rules :)
I don't remember who was playing, I didn't even see it myself, but I'm passing it on as I heard it (maybe someone will read this and recall the people involved))):

supposedly a noob was standing in the chain, and he didn't need to go anywhere at all that day
so they just dug it up for the heck of it -- the Grail, of course! :D :D

and since the game was in the club, there were no complaints..... well, as for cases when the computer dug up the Grail, stuck it in its own town (including Conflux and Tavern), and then died, gifting it to one of the players -- those actually bring back several memories :cool:
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

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Offline Oelm
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Well, share the secret. I've played offline a bit and know how to dig for the Grail with a hero that has already visited the location, but how do you find it on a closed map?
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Listen, smart guy. I explained everything to you about the technique and how it works. It was clearly stated that the obelisk is needed to find the location! Without the obelisks, it's no longer my technique. Secondly, the stumps are there to make it clearer FOR YOU! They don't necessarily have to be there! The area with the Grail is determined by the mountain, the stump, a couple of bushes, the road, etc.

And if the location is unremarkable, then I'm sorry, how do you even find the Grail when you've collected all the obelisks? This is just a matter of your poor attention.

P.S. I don't care at all whether someone was cheating or not. I'm just saying that your accusations, without any save files, are simply unfounded.

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You shouldn't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.

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And in general, the key point here is

If he can, then he knows how. If he knows, what's the point of cheating?
So, you explained it to me if there's a marker? I wrote that it's without the cross
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