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#877 10/20/2010 7:28 AM UTC

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Even without evidence, there's a very serious accusation here. ;)
I'd be willing to hang him just for suggesting shortening the day. :)

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Think about it. Why would he suggest shortening the day? To speed up the game? Unlikely.
But if he's a maniac, or a Mafia member, then such a suggestion makes perfect sense.

By the way... Gur. I have an idea. Let's eliminate someone while there aren't many people around and close the day early, before more people show up. :D How does that sound? :smile04:
It's perfect for the innocents. :D ;)

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#878 10/20/2010 7:36 AM UTC

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A shorter day isn't an argument against it. I've played Mafia on this forum countless times. I don't have anything to compare it to, but the games subjectively feel longer. And when there's an opportunity to shorten the day, I personally am satisfied, even if, as in Happy's case, it turns out to be an unsuccessful decision. Furthermore, there's another point: suggestions to end the day early could also have been sent as private messages to the GM. I don't think such an experienced player as Arandor wouldn't have thought to use that method. With clarification, Gur P.S. Register, should we offer to provide evidence against you, or not? Added 1 minute later Register, in the situation with the previous day, only 2-3 people were missing... Added 1 minute later And now there are only 2 players on the forum. Added 48 seconds later I was wrong. Three...

"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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#879 10/20/2010 7:48 AM UTC

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Gur

Shortening the day is not an argument. I have played Mafia on this forum countless times. I have nothing to compare it to, but the games subjectively drag on. And when there is an opportunity to shorten the day, I personally remain satisfied, and even if, as in the case of Happy, it turns out to be a bad decision. Then, there is another point: proposals to prematurely end the day could also be sent as private messages to the GM. I don't think that such an experienced player as Arandor wouldn't have thought of using this method.

With explanation,
Gur

P.S. Should I offer evidence against you, or not?

I completely disagree!
Maybe we should play without a day at all, why be stingy? :)
It wouldn't work through private messages. The GM would probably ignore such a request from a Mafia member. To shorten the day at the very beginning, you need to speak out publicly :)

And regarding the evidence against me, if I say "no," will you keep quiet and not dig into me? ;) :D
The day is needed to present evidence for everyone to see. To find the Mafia. And not to shorten it by 16 hours when nothing is known yet, and you need to actively look for the killers.
If there is something to present against me, please do.

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Gur

[/U]Register, in the situation with the previous day, only 2-3 people were missing...

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And now there are only 2 players on the forum

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I was wrong. Three...

I was exaggerating.
I wanted to show how pointless it is for the innocents to shorten the day :)

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By the way... Gur, if we hadn't shortened the day, and I had tried to argue that Happy shouldn't be executed, would you have changed your vote? Or at least thought about it? Think about it... And you will understand why the day shouldn't have been shortened.
And I had arguments: starting with deciphering the clue about the pirate, ending with too much solidarity during the vote.

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Gur

Shortening the day is not an argument. I have played Mafia on this forum countless times. I have nothing to compare it to, but the games subjectively drag on. And when there is an opportunity to shorten the day, I personally remain satisfied, and even if, as in the case of Happy, it turns out to be a bad decision.

I think that the innocents often lose because of this.
And why play at all if, because of just 16 hours, you are willing to give up an important innocent role?

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Let's play without days at all, or let the day be only 1 hour? Then the game will be over very quickly ;)

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#880 10/20/2010 7:54 AM UTC

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Dear Register,

Only when Sunny PUBLICLY responds that the proposal to prematurely end the day, made via private message, would not work, will we return to this issue...

Regarding the evidence against you:
1) "Expenses" - I'm not an accountant, but at the very least, there is an "Expenses" register in 1C accounting software. (Your evidence against Arandor - an Idealist striving for universal order and justice - Sir, are you a philosopher, or... - what exactly you need to write about yourself, I will tell you later, when you see the log and understand that Ar is not a maniac)
2) "Island map" - I'm not a fan of the "Worms" game, but let the fans of this type of entertainment tell me if there are maps and islands in it.

Sincerely,
Gur

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P.S. I have always been in favor of shortening the day to an hour...

"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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#881 10/20/2010 8:46 AM UTC

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Gur

Dear Register,

Only when Sunny PUBLICLY responds that the proposal to prematurely end the day, made via private message, would not work, will we return to this issue...

Regarding the evidence against you:
1) "Expenses" - I'm not an accountant, but at the very least, in 1C accounting software, there is a register called "Expenses." (Your evidence against Arandor - an Idealist striving for universal order and justice - Sir, are you a philosopher, or...? - I'll tell you what you need to write about yourself later, when you see the log and understand that Ar is not a maniac)
2) "Island map" - I'm not a fan of the "Worms" game, but let the fans of this type of entertainment tell me if there are maps and islands in it.

Sincerely,
Gur

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P.S. I have always been in favor of shortening the day to an hour...

"An Idealist striving for universal order and justice" - I didn't come up with that. It's written in his profile. Read what's written in his biography ;)
And regarding the "Expenses" register. I want to say that in 1C, registers can be named anything ;). I myself have programmed in 1C, and I've named registers all sorts of ways ;)
And regarding Worms, I have a feeling that you guessed randomly :)

And regarding a one-hour day, no comment... The eternal victory of the mafia...

And if Arandor turns out not to be a maniac, as I said before, he is definitely a bad guy.

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Gur, in general, your position is clear to me.

Yeah... if I didn't think Ar was a maniac, I would think that you are on the same team as him ;)

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#882 10/20/2010 8:48 AM UTC

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Dear Register! You misunderstood me: where is the connection between the word "costs" and the phrase from Arandor's profile, "Idealist striving for universal order and justice"? It is more than far-fetched. This is called fitting the facts to the theory. Sincerely, Gur

"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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#883 10/20/2010 8:55 AM UTC

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I don't understand why you are so eager to defend Arandor. Do you consider him peaceful?

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Gur

Dear Registrar!

You misunderstood me: where is the connection between the word "costs" and the phrase from Arandor's profile, "Idealist striving for universal order and justice"? It is more than far-fetched. This is called fitting the facts to the theory.

Sincerely,
Gur

Well, this is not a strong argument in my theory.
As I said, my main accusation is the shortened day.
You may notice that at the beginning of the day, I accused Arandor of being a mafia member without presenting any evidence. And I only presented this accusation ;)

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Evidence was presented only later, as an afterthought, when I realized that Arandor was not necessarily being targeted by a maniac :)

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In general, if it weren't for this shortened day, I would now be campaigning to vote against Morning :)

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#884 10/20/2010 8:56 AM UTC

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Sunny saw the posts in the thread, and shortly after, in private messages, after which he announced a small poll on this issue.

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#885 10/20/2010 8:58 AM UTC

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I'm not defending Arandor. I believe your evidence against him is more than unfounded. We at least executed Happy, paying attention to the non-disclosure agreement. Yes, we made a mistake. But that's secondary. I brought up the accusations against you to show that you can link almost any player to the evidence mentioned in the newspapers.

What do you think happened to Arandor on the first night?

Sincerely,
Gur
P.S. Did you enjoy the game Worms: Battle Island?

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Forgot the "s" at the end.

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#886 10/20/2010 9:06 AM UTC

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On the first night, a paladin and a sorceress visited him.

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Did you enjoy the game Worms: Battle Island?
I've never played it ;)

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I have to leave for a few hours. I hope they don't close the game before I get back ;)

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#887 10/20/2010 9:14 AM UTC

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Execute Morning - 2 votes, Pandora (Arandor)
Execute Arandor - 4 votes (Ple-Sen, Vegtam, Registr, Koteiko)
7 votes are needed for execution.

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#888 10/20/2010 10:13 AM UTC

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I couldn't resist, I'm back...
I was thinking... Arandor, you're not a Town member. You're Mafia! :)
And Gur is your accomplice.
I'm still wondering why he was so confidently referring to the log. "You'll see in the log that he's not a Town member." Where does this confidence come from? Because he knows his role. Notice, I also said that if Ar isn't a Town member, then he's Mafia. Gur didn't refer to the log anymore.
Also, Gur defended Ar with such selflessness, and he didn't even wait for Ar to respond. I almost shed a tear because of this selflessness :) Where was he when Happy was executed? There was a chance she was a Town member! He could have at least thought about it for a second.
And the 3rd point of accusation. You both supported shortening the day at the worst possible moment for the town!
There is no evidence against you. Because the Mafia committed only one murder on both teams! And that murderer is already gone. Well, if the Mafia doesn't want to commit crimes and leave evidence, we'll figure them out without evidence. :)
Who was it that said the day wasn't needed? We've already identified 3 Mafia members during the day without any evidence! Ar, Gur, Morning - 3 Mafia.

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#889 10/20/2010 10:30 AM UTC

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Arandor, the Angel can control the votes of the enthralled however he pleases, but he cannot make them write what he wants or force them to act in his interests in any way.

Well, Plesen and Vegtam didn't really write anything substantial. They just voted against me.

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#890 10/20/2010 10:30 AM UTC

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No problem, execute Arandor. He has become insolent, hasn't he?

My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.

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#891 10/20/2010 10:52 AM UTC

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Arandor. "An idealist striving for universal order and justice." Do you know how expensive it is to guide people to the right path? Such activities require a lot of money.

lol) what kind of subtext did you find here?)

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And then he also said that the maniac is me. Even though there is no evidence, it's still me.

I suggested

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Arandor, you are suggesting that we check you. 1 day for the check, the informant can only express himself the next day in a note.

If you don't want to wait, the informant can write in the thread himself. If I am a maniac, then no one will help me. So I can't put myself in a positive light. Besides, I'm not suggesting anyone be executed. For now, only Moning can be executed - he's 100% a bad guy, and tomorrow we'll deal with me.

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Okay, do as you wish, but at the end of the game, you will understand that my method is more reliable than some unclear evidence.

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I'm ready to hang him for just one day reduction.

olol) how does your phrase differ from my suggestion to reduce the day?
You haven't been playing with us for long, but we've already reduced the day, and specifically for the town roles.

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Oh, Reg) make up your mind who I am) either a maniac with evidence, or a mafia without evidence...
I ask the town to look at today's night actions again. Not everyone went. And I want to remind you that the paladin and the sorceress can heal themselves.

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In general, based on the night actions, I have already identified almost all the town roles. Unfortunately, not all of them went to intelligent people, and I'm afraid that someone will mislead you, and in the end, you will execute each other, or an angel will help you.
And it's a pity that you don't want to wait for the status. You waited for the others. Well, it's up to you.

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