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Don't inflate your rating in ranked matches by consistently winning against players who are significantly weaker.
In my opinion, if you only want to play against strong players, posting messages like "looking for a game" on the forum is pointless. All game requests should be targeted and selective, sent via ICQ (to the players you consider strong – I assume you have a mental list of their ratings).
The forum attracts a very diverse crowd, and mostly beginners respond immediately. And with an ICQ list of 200+ players and mass messaging (like "hey, want to play?"), I think it's a bit strange to use the forum (although it's perfect for newcomers). Unless you're completely desperate.
I agree with Oelm. Oelm
The rating shouldn't reflect skill – one player plays against beginners, while another seeks strong opponents; the first player's rating will likely be higher.
No rating can 100% objectively reflect the strength of the players. Everyone knows their favorite heroes by sight anyway.
For example, Decontaminator, Scorp, and others – where are they in the rankings, and what is their level of play?
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/ За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
Pit for LM
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Important information. Starting this season, SEM_56 will also be helping me with running the tournament. He will be compiling the list of valid reports and monitoring confirmations, just like the hosts of other tournaments do. I hope this will help us update the standings more frequently and give me the opportunity to improve the program. I've updated the first post for the season.
I've moved a few posts about our problems from the Forum to here.Wlk777
I suggest introducing an unofficial practice – an unwritten gentleman's agreement – not to inflate your rating in the seasonal tournament by regularly winning against players who are significantly weaker.
Sure, but I'm not going to forbid anyone from doing anything, ignore any games, or force anyone to play against someone. When I first appeared on HW – Spring 2008 season – there was a very interesting battle for first place between Scorp and Pasha. They played against each other until the last day. It wasn't clear until the very end who would win. Maybe our contenders for victory in the seasonal tournament should play against each other more often?Wlk777
I'm not talking about any official ban yet (although I wouldn't mind, but the rating hosts are terribly slow and conservative; they don't even want to do something as simple and necessary as not counting games in the rating where less than 5-10 games have been played).
I don't understand, who are the "hosts"? I worked alone for 9 months; Roman offered help, thank you. I'll explain my "terrible slowness and conservatism." First, the rating was calculated using the SS-D formula. Then, Stiky suggested a new formula for calculating. There was a discussion, and Stiky manually calculated the Alternative rating in parallel for six months. When people were convinced that the new formula was better, there was a vote, and Stiky's rating became official. I'm calculating it now. It's not within my authority to change what the forum has approved.
If you, Valentin, want to change the way the rating is calculated, your algorithm should be as follows: - clearly think about what you want to propose; - write formulas suitable for programming; - program it yourself or find a programmer; - suggest that the forum discuss your system; - calculate using this system for a couple of seasons, get concrete results; - conduct a vote – which is better – your system or the one that exists now. And then, if the forum likes your system, it will be the official formula.
Personally, I like Stiky's system. I've always been interested in statistics and reading reports, and the numbers next to the nicknames don't matter much to me, but they create some competitive interest and attract players. Therefore, I won't take on any new initiatives. Moreover, I don't see any real and clear proposals. Erdem
I remember there was an idea to create a separate tournament rating. Did anyone take on its implementation? In my opinion, it would be more objective and skill-based than the seasonal one, because the level is different, and the opponents are not chosen there...
I had that idea. Moreover, I wanted to include tournaments on other resources, because many people play in different places at the same time. Vik even sent me information about the Baevsky tournaments. It's a lot of work; there are a huge number of tournaments; you have to keep track of everything and update it constantly. There's no time. For me, it was important from the point of view of organizing the draw. But many guys who constantly play in tournaments never win anything. That is, they would not be included in such a rating, and it would not solve my problem. I have to use some kind of "subjective" rating. When we organized the draw for the Favorites, numOne and I independently compiled lists based on our perception of the players' strength, compared them, and almost everything coincided. If anyone wants to work on a tournament rating, no one will stop them; it would be interesting to see.
Pit for LM 1. Why are the leading players not being considered? I suggested to vbn that random players who have played less than 5-10 games should not be included in the ranking, and he and many others were completely in agreement, but nothing has changed, even though I doubt it would be technically difficult. I think a vote on this issue is unnecessary; 80+% would definitely be in favor. 2. Pyotr, despite my respect for you, you don't need to talk to me in a tone like "if you're so smart, why don't you do it yourself" - this is clearly evident from your post. 3. Frankly, I'm tired of your constant complaints about being too busy. If you don't have enough time, create a thread about a vacancy for a leading player; I think people will be found, and you will free up the time you need so much.
Announcement 1. I finished editing and cleaning up the topic Useful Information: - added about ten of the most played templates with diagrams and clarifications to the rules; redrew some diagrams; - at the beginning of the topic, I inserted articles on how to make saves, how to archive games, and how to attach saves to the forum. I think these articles will be useful not only for beginners but also for experienced players; we don't have many people on our forum who are good at compressing save files. - with Vitaly's permission, I moved his article about the HMM3_Lighter program.
If you have any questions, noticed inaccuracies, errors, suggestions, etc., please contact me via ICQ or write here.
Thank you to everyone who helped develop the topic; special thanks to Lider1 and Wicc. I hope that together we will continue to collect useful things.
Request to the organizers of the tournaments currently running and using links to this topic in their regulations: please update the links; I probably won't change anything else.
Announcement 2. I propose that our holders of the "Season Winner" medals compete fairly and play a tournament after autumn ends. We will determine the very best - the Winner of Winners - the Tiger of 2010. I am ready to run the tournament in any format decided by our respected players. For example, we can play an End-of-Year Mini-Tournament of Four in December – a round robin among four winners from 2010 – with each playing one or two games against each other. Or maybe other medalists will join?
Announcement 2. I propose that our holders of the "Season Winner" medals compete fairly and play a tournament at the end of autumn. Let's determine the very best – the Winner of Winners – the Tiger of 2010. I am ready to host the tournament in any format that our esteemed players decide upon. For example, we could play a Final Mini-Tournament of Four in December – a round-robin tournament of 4 winners from 2010 – with 1-2 games each between all participants. Or maybe other medalists will join in?
That's a great idea! For variety, we could hold a tournament in the form of a relay race (elimination style). The system would be approximately as follows: - All those who have ever taken 1st place in a season can participate (of course, if they wish). - The winner of the very first season plays against the next winner: the loser is eliminated from the tournament, and the winner advances to play against the next... and so on, in a chain, until autumn 2010. - 1 player can defeat everyone in turn. - If a person has won the season several times, they will have a corresponding number of "lives" :) - We can play according to the seasonal rules.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
I suggest that our holders of the "Season Winner" medal meet in a fair fight and play a tournament at the end of autumn. Let's determine the very best – the Winner of Winners – the Tiger of 2010. I am ready to host the tournament in any format that our esteemed players decide. For example, we can play an Overall Mini-Tournament of Four in December – a round-robin tournament of 4 winners from 2010 – with each playing 1-2 games against each other. Or maybe other medalists will join?
Yes, that's a good idea. The knockout tournament format proposed by Andrey (numOne) is very appealing.
And we could also organize a tournament between those Players who have ever won Online tournaments in Heroes 3 on Volde. Any format is fine.
The idea is undoubtedly good. But I would prefer to play a round-robin tournament; in my opinion, it's more interesting and fair.
In my opinion, the best thing would be to gather all the medalists from at least one season. Create one group, play in two rounds, and you get a great tournament!
ZM
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Pete, and there’s no need to count my game against SEM_56; let me be ranked 9999999th, I don’t care, it’s not an indicator… I provided a game review for those who are interested; everyone already knows that I’m ZM, why complicate things like those idiots in the State Duma, it’s all simple.
In the headers of reports, nicknames must be written correctly. The rating is calculated automatically; the program treats different spellings of nicknames as different players. Appeal to all opponents of player SEM_56!!! His nickname is written exactly like this: SEM_56, and not in any other way (SEM56, SEM 56, Sem_56.....). Approximately half of the reports have to be corrected!!!!Zadira
16.10.2010 Zadira(blue,taver,deremif,Kyrre) def SEM 56 (red,dungeon,Shakti,Shakti) Jebus Cross 135
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Pit, and there's no need to count my game with SEM_56, let my place in the rating be 9999999, I don't care, it's not an indicator... I posted a review of the game for those interested, everyone already knows I'm ZM [Я ZM], why make everything complicated like the idiots from the State Duma, everything is simple.
After half a season, there are almost 500 messages; no one is obligated to edit for everyone, not even the idiots from the State Duma. So, should it be counted or not? If it shouldn't be counted, the report needs to be deleted; this topic is for the rating tournament. SEM_56
Я-86, Стингер-87: D. Doesn't anyone think that this rating system needs to be changed, because it doesn't even come close to reflecting the actual state of affairs?:smile18:
I-86, Stinger-87:D . Does anyone else think that something needs to be changed with this rating calculation system, because it doesn't even come close to reflecting the real state of affairs?:smile18:
What's so surprising here, on HeroesWorld he has: 5 wins and 9 losses. How many do you have? Do you think you play much worse than Stinger? :D
What’s so surprising about his stats on Heroes & Might & Magic? He has 5 wins and 9 losses. What are yours? Do you think you play much worse when using Stinger? :D
I believe that the seasonal rating doesn’t even come close to reflecting the actual skill level of the players.
So it's about the overall rating for all seasons. The permanent rating now takes into account seasonal games and all tournament games on HeroesWorld. Player strength is reflected in game results; the more games played, the more accurate it is. It's clear that if very few games have been played, the rating will only be approximate.
I-86, Stinger-87:D . Does anyone else think that something needs to be changed with this rating calculation system, because it doesn't even come close to reflecting the real state of affairs?:smile18:
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Well, we're talking about the general rating for all seasons. The permanent rating now takes into account seasonal and all tournament games on HeroesWorld. Player strength is reflected in game results; the more games played, the more accurate it is. It's clear that if very few games have been played, the rating will only be approximate.
Unlikely, but that's how it is. I only remember two players whose saves I analyzed with admiration – Smehov (ATG) and Pit for LM, and it just so happens that they currently occupy the top two spots.
