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Yeah, right. Even in most strategy games, you need to defend and conquer. In RPGs, there are also killings, but they are still more interesting than shooters because, in addition to combat, they have a role-playing element and much more.
If you really want to play something without killings, there are economic strategies, quests, and many other games. Among them, there are some that are not banal.
For example, I like Guild 2 and its first part, Europe 1400, or whatever year it was, I don't remember.
Come on. Even in most strategy games, you need to defend and capture. In RPGs, there are also killings, but they are still more interesting than shooters because, in addition to combat, they have a role-playing element and much more.
In RPGs, killings are a tribute to the setting because most of them are "Heroic Fantasy." In hack-and-slash games, killing is the main goal; the point is to... kill monsters, collect items, become stronger to kill even stronger monsters, and... well, you get the idea.
yeah, I like all these games) BG, Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights, Arcanum, Fallout... and yes, I like them more than TES, but I also like TES) and actually, you could take a lot of interesting things from it for online games, like collecting herbs and brewing potions from them) it would be very fun and interesting, especially for a clan) split into groups and go in different directions to collect herbs, after a few hours they meet at the base and put everything together, then the alchemist brews potions for everyone.
ah, I would be an alchemist... maybe some kind of druid who brews potions.
and it would be possible to run around in the online game using the keyboard and fight with it too, and not click with the mouse.
Rev, you need to get into the game, especially such games, and not focus on such minor details. IMHO)
Yes, they are not "evil," but rather something like a flood. There is no villain who wants to destroy/conquer the world. There is only a disaster and its source. They are driven not by revenge and ambition, but by nature.
Essentially, you're saying the same thing, just with less provocative words.
I meant that the game was positioned as an RPG, but as an RPG, it turned out to be boring. The game turned out to be a combat game; I wrote that it "might be a good combat game," but I also wrote that it is in no way a role-playing game. This is not a criticism; it is the fact that the game was made to make money, and it doesn't matter how successful the combat part turned out to be if the role-playing part is terrible. Otherwise, they would have just made a combat game, without clinging to the external similarity to Baldur's Gate.
And what does that mean?
The fact that he simply cornered himself. He compared "his favorite game" with "games he hates." This means either that it was all trolling from the beginning, or the fact that he is simply a hypocrite, and not a very smart one at that.
and from this, by the way, you could take a lot of interesting things for online games, like collecting herbs and making potions from them. It would be very fun and interesting, especially for Clans. They break into groups and go in different directions to collect herbs, and after a few hours, they meet at the base and put everything together, then the alchemist makes potions for everyone.
I, by the way, haven't resorted to personal attacks in this conversation yet, but you've been rude for no reason several times.
Well, it's obvious. You're criticizing games that many reasonable people enjoy, and you can't even explain "why they're bad" with facts.
I explained in post #31328 why the TES series is bad. Of course, this is a brief overview – I didn't feel like writing a long post. And you shouldn't use "many reasonable people" as an argument; you understand that, right? Many popular things can't withstand any criticism. For example, many reasonable people, both in Russia and around the world, indulge in things that will lead them to an early grave in a few years. The "Bethesda" audience is nowhere near that number.
The point is that you simply showed the absurdity of your position. You reduced the description of "BioWare games" to... a description of your favorite Icewind, bravo, you're either an idiot or a troll! )
Again, a personal attack. Can't you help yourself? Can't you have a discussion without trying to insult your opponent? You came to Haven to criticize Icewind, which Aro and I are playing, and now you're pretending you didn't.
I suggest you read about what a role-playing game is during the week. Because hack'n'slash games don't belong to that genre, as they only have one role: the role of a butcher.
However! I like Icewind, and the genre listed in its descriptions is RPG. So, role-playing games are still for me; what a relief.
I suggest you read about what a hack'n'slash RPG is during the week.
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I also like TES) and, by the way, many interesting things could be taken from it for online games, like collecting herbs and making potions from them) it would be very fun and interesting, especially in a Clan. We could split into groups and go in different directions to collect herbs, and after a few hours, we would meet at the base and put everything together, and then the alchemist would make potions for everyone. Oh, I would be an alchemist... maybe some kind of druid who makes potions.
Added 2 minutes ago and in an online game, it would be possible to move around and fight using the keyboard, and not clicking with the mouse[br][/br]
I, by the way, haven't resorted to personal attacks in this conversation at all, but you've been being rude for no reason several times now.
Really? Is that so?) What about your previous post?
I explained in post #31328 why the TES series is bad.
I could say "the sky is purple," but you wouldn't believe me. So, please, don't.
Another personal attack. Can't you help yourself? Can't you have a discussion without trying to belittle your opponent? You came to Haven to criticize the Icewind game that Aro and I are playing, and now you're playing innocent.
Don't deflect. We're talking about something else right now.
However! I like Icewind, and the genre listed everywhere in its descriptions is RPG. So, role-playing games are actually for me, and that's a relief.
But we also have "Tsoi is alive" written on our wall; maybe he didn't die?) I judge by facts, and the facts say that Icewind is not an RPG.
Hack 'n' slash RPG.
You're funny. "Hack 'n' slash RPG" is a term invented by someone with an overactive imagination, because in these games, there's no role-playing element, so they're not RPGs. Or are you one of those who thinks that "10 strength and 5 intelligence" are role-playing elements? XD
Yes, they are not "evil," but rather something like a flood. There is no villain who wants to destroy/conquer the world. There is only a disaster, and its source. They are not driven by revenge and ambition, but by nature.
What difference does it make what drives them? There is no difference between Daedra and a "disaster" in the form of an unintelligent Archdemon.
Don't deflect. We're talking about something else right now.
You're the one deflecting. I'm reminding you of the beginning of today's discussion.
I'm judging by the facts, and the facts say that Ice is not an RPG.
Could you list these facts?
You're hilarious. "Hack and slash RPG" is a term invented by some overactive imaginations, because in these games, there's no real role-playing, therefore they're not RPGs. Or are you one of those who thinks that "10 strength and 5 intelligence" are role-playing elements? XD
Are you going against the generally accepted term, used by "a lot of intelligent people"?
Looks like someone is playing. And even installing mods for same-sex romances.
Quite a transparent jab.
I didn't play BG to get turned on.
And another one, even more transparent.
Don't translate that. I'm reminding you of the beginning of today's discussion.
So, you still haven't answered, which basically means you have nothing to say.
Could you state these facts?
The main characteristic of an RPG is the ability to role-play, to the extent possible. There is practically none of that in Ice, and what little there is doesn't give it the right to be called an RPG, because the differences are negligible. At least, it doesn't meet my requirements for an RPG; there's just too little.
Are you going against the generally accepted term, used by "a whole bunch of intelligent people"?
By "a whole bunch of intelligent people," I meant those I know personally, and among them are those who don't like Morrowind. Not the crowd of simpletons who don't even know what "role-playing" is.
In general, this argument is pointless; you're too stubborn. You can, of course, think whatever you want, and even write a reply, but that will only be a sign of your butthurt.
Apparently, someone is playing. And even installing mods for same-sex romances. Quite a transparent jab.
It wasn't my intention at all. You objected that the portrait was ugly, and I said that I don't get turned on by them. There are plenty of mods on the internet that change the romantic storylines. Therefore, there is a need for them; everyone loves Dragon Age and Mass Effect. You shouldn't take everything personally.
So, you still didn't answer. In general, it's clear that you have nothing to say.
There's nothing to answer. What should I answer? To "you're either an idiot or a troll))"? You can ask a more respectful question if you really want to hear an answer.
The main feature of an RPG is the ability to play a certain role, as much as possible. There is practically none of that in Ice, and what is there doesn't give it the right to be called an RPG, because the differences are negligible.
It has everything that BG has, only in slightly smaller quantities. And fortunately, the game is free from BioWare's dialogue scheme of "good answer-neutral answer-evil answer," which provides cyclopean role-playing. And BioWare itself never had any real role-playing. All the "role-playing" came down to choosing these answer options and choosing how to kill monsters.
By "a bunch of intelligent people," I meant those I know, and among them are those who don't like Morrowind. And not a crowd of plebs who don't even know what "role-playing" is.
Labeling people with Lurkmore labels like "pleb" or "not a pleb" is, of course, a wonderful approach that cannot be disputed. Just like "you're all in the mud, and I'm the only one standing beautiful in a white tuxedo."
In general, the argument is pointless; you're too stubborn. You can, of course, think whatever you want, and even write a reply, but that will only be a sign of your butthurt.
It's a very obvious cop-out. I probably shouldn't have written this post, because its existence implies butthurt, and I'll be ridiculed for it, but I took the risk. I hope I didn't disappoint your expectations, because I saw you eagerly awaiting a response and spamming the Haven.
If you're not tired, didn't set out to throw insults, and came here not to troll, but to chat with people, then we can, in general, start a normal discussion with clearly stated arguments from page 3137. I, for example, wouldn't mind. Maybe others will join in. Just please, less arrogance. Or we can leave everything as it is - an unresolved argument, I'll grumble a little more and be satisfied, and you'll encounter a clueless, bald pleb.
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