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Skuns

16 years ago

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What’s the point of all this pseudo-wisdom? Just don’t try to make me look like an idiot. As if I couldn’t understand the concept of a power pyramid and those in charge. The fact that different clans are vying for power at the highest levels, and the king is always trying to benefit from any situation, has always been clear to everyone. Why are you presenting this as some kind of truth that has been hidden by reptiles for thousands of years? Do you have other ways to govern a state? I’d like to see that. I wanted to say that those you call “Boyars” are not the Chosen Ones. And in general, this style of presenting material from a sociological point of view is inappropriate.

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You should read what I wrote again. So, “You either are a Boyar or you are not (at a short distance). You can’t be partially a Boyar. It’s not a status or a position; it’s a mindset and a character.” – these were your words, not your friend’s. I strongly disagree with this. It is precisely a status and a position, not a mindset and a character.

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Skuns

What's the point of all this pseudo-wisdom? Just don't try to make me look like an idiot.

I'm not familiar with you, this is the first time (I think) we've crossed paths in forum discussions, and since I'm not inclined to think of people as idiots from the start (rather the opposite), then...

So, what I didn't understand was about the pyramid of power and the rulers.

In this case, you didn't understand the meaning I put into the term "boyars." It has an indirect relationship to the boyars of Kievan Rus'. And that's what I was actually pointing out. This is not a sign of inadequacy, but rather a sign of a different set of associations. It happens...

Do you have other ways of governing a state?

No. And this is one of the thoughts I wanted to convey with that post. That despotism, monarchy, democracy, etc., are just decorations for the public, and the meaning of what is happening is roughly the same everywhere.

I wanted to say that those you call "Boyars" are not the Chosen Ones.

And I didn't call them the Chosen Ones. These are people who, due to their personal qualities, can take (create/obtain/seize) the right to make decisions not only for themselves (and their proteges), but also for their neighbors. To influence the group ideologically or administratively.

This is not about status or position, but about mindset and character. Not everyone can do this, even in relation to their wife and children, and yet we are talking about such activities in relation to subordinates, partners, colleagues, competitors, all sorts of independent players, etc.

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Wlk777

You don't say it directly, but you communicate from exactly that position, and many people have noticed it.

This is a litmus test.

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Basically, as I understand it, Vic gained some reputation in the Heroes community, judged several tournaments, and so on. This went to his head, he started to feel like a "big shot," and began to treat many people with disdain. He started to suppress those who disagreed with his opinion, as well as his competitors, by flooding them with troll posts, without even bothering to respond to their objections. Reading this individual's posts is pointless; I'm putting him on ignore and encourage others to do the same: http://forum.heroesworld.ru/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=9622.

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Wlk777

Basically, as I understand it, Vikk earned himself some reputation in the Heroes community, judging several tournaments and so on. This went to his head, he started feeling like a "big shot," treating many with disdain, and suppressing those who disagreed with his opinion, as well as his "big shot" competitors, by flooding them with troll posts without even properly responding to their objections. Reading this individual's posts is pointless; I'm putting him on ignore and encourage others to do the same http://forum.heroesworld.ru/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=9622.

Well, finally, it happened :D.

P.S. You can place bets – how long will he last?

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Skuns

16 years ago

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Heh heh)
You know, there's this joke:
A colonel's son asks: "Dad, can I become a general?"
And the father replies: "No, the general already has a son."

So, in most cases, these aren't some brilliant, great people, but simply people with connections, born into wealthy families. The proportion of truly great people who have achieved success through their own intelligence and character is incredibly small. So, there's no need to confuse concepts, no need to compare it to someone who is afraid to take responsibility before employees, friends, etc., because that's personal, i.e., from a different system of coordinates.

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Skuns

Heh-heh)
There's this joke:
A colonel's son asks: "Dad, can I become a general?"
And the father replies: "No, the general already has a son."

States that operate according to this scheme decay quite quickly. This joke, by the way, is from the late Soviet Union, which was rapidly heading down this path. In the early Soviet Union, the answer would have been significantly different.

Because if there are no "boyars" at the helm, or if there are too few of them, a so-called "paralysis of power" sets in. This, by the way, strongly resembles the general atmosphere in the Academy - the desire to appear harmless, to play it safe, to avoid difficult decisions, to sit it out in the hope that things will resolve themselves, to wait for someone else to make the decision, and so on.

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Skuns

16 years ago

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"What despotism, monarchy, democracy, etc., are is just a facade for the public." Are you well-versed in political science? Hmm, I have serious doubts about that. How can you compare democracy with monarchy? Monarchy can coexist with democracy. You are not using the terms correctly. You probably meant monarchy versus republic.

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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The moderators could clean up all the irrelevant posts and show the decisiveness that Wick expects from them.

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Skuns

16 years ago

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Wicc

States that operate according to this scheme tend to decay rather quickly. This anecdote, by the way, comes from the late Soviet Union, which was rapidly following this path. In the early Soviet Union, the response would have been significantly different.

Because if there are no "boyars" at the helm, or if there are too few of them, a so-called "paralysis of power" occurs. This, by the way, strongly resembles the general atmosphere in AK – the desire to appear harmless and well-intentioned, to over-insure, to avoid difficult decisions, to sit it out in the hope that things will resolve themselves, to wait for someone else to make the decision, and so on.

To avoid "paralysis of power," they still allow their own people in, and so on, but they will never simply take someone else into their group, even if that person has a good character and intelligence. (With very few exceptions, very few indeed.)

By the way, regarding the USSR, you are clearly mistaken. In the USSR, a tractor driver, Gorbachev, became not just a "boyar" but a King.

Hehe. You are either a naive person or you live abroad. Now everything is exactly the same as in the USSR, even worse. In general, I no longer see the point in arguing with you. The forum members will draw their own conclusions. If you stubbornly believe that a person with a good character and intelligence from the lower classes can become a "boyar" simply because of his character and intelligence, then continue to believe that.

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And also, considering that you are trying to apply the formulas of sociology and political science to this forum (which has nothing to do with it) and using all your wisdom to manipulate the opinions of forum members and promote yourself as a leader, or a "boyar" even more, makes me want to stop arguing with you. :smile35:

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StickyFingaz

16 years ago

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Well, it finally happened.

P.S. You can place bets – how long will he last?

Vik is Vik.

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Skuns

Also, considering that you are trying to apply formulas of sociology and political science to this forum (which has nothing to do with it) and manipulate the opinions of forum members with all your wisdom, and promote yourself as an even greater leader or noble, it makes me stop arguing with you. :smile35:

He simply can't make people consider him a great authority and look up to him, accepting every word he says as the ultimate truth, and he really wants that, it makes him twitch, so he writes such things in the style of "Jehovah's Witnesses," attempts to confuse people with numerous quotes and other nonsense, using any means to achieve his goal, or at least to discredit those who stand in his way.

Van

16 years ago

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The same faces are on stage.

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Wicc

16 years ago

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I live in Russia. I don't have a degree in political science (which is probably for the best), and I haven't read any specialized literature. For this reason, I don't bother refining terms or bringing them into line with scientific standards. The main thing is that the thought I want to convey is clear. I expect the same from my interlocutors. The decision-making system is roughly the same in any system and in any group – it's a vote, taking into account the "weight" of the vote. The weighting by individuals varies within a certain (rather small) range, depending on objective factors – the size of the group, the nature of the tasks being solved, and the personnel. If the tasks facing the group are not complex, there is a tendency towards hereditary succession and a focus on group affiliation. This is typical of prosperous, stagnant times. If the tasks are complex, this tendency weakens, and the objective merits of the participants gain more weight. This is typical of rapid development and overcoming external resistance. For example, most of Stalin's ministers came from humble backgrounds; they rose to the top thanks to their personal qualities and their ability to solve the very difficult tasks set before them. If a complete "reset" occurs, and the old elite can be thrown overboard (revolution), they are replaced by an elite from among the revolutionaries. I don't know if this was mentioned in your political science lectures. If not, then I may have missed something.

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Дубровин Павел

16 years ago

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Wicc

Because if there are no "boyars" at the helm, or if there are too few of them, a so-called "paralysis of power" occurs. This, by the way, strongly resembles the general atmosphere in the Guild – the desire to appear harmless and well-intentioned, to play it safe, to avoid difficult decisions, to sit it out in the hope that things will resolve themselves, to wait for someone else to make the decision, and so on.

Yura, it is a fact that the Guild Council (AK) of Vold is elected by the Players of Vold from among the Players of Vold.
It is also a fact that the election mechanism for the Guild Council is transparent and cannot be considered bad, since almost every Player of Vold can gain the right to vote, not to mention the fact that an even wider circle of people can become members of the Guild Council.
The Players of Vold themselves determine the organization of the Guild.
No one is saying that the decisions of the Guild Council are perfect.
But we all have a way to change the organization of the decision-making process for resolving controversial situations in the Guild.
If the Players of Vold believe that it would be better if controversial situations were:
- considered by everyone and resolved by a general vote – that is what will happen;
- left to the Tournament judges to make the decision – that is what will happen.
It is enough to simply choose the most suitable mechanism for the Guild through a general vote.
The last vote showed that the Guild still needs a Guild Council.
Nothing is eternal; next time, there may be a new mechanism for resolving controversial situations.
Everything depends on the Players of Vold themselves, and no one is imposing any particular point of view on them. The Players of Vold themselves determine and decide what mechanism the Guild needs to resolve controversial situations at the present time.

And also, the Guild Council makes a decision on each case, does not avoid making decisions, and very rarely does it take a long time to make a decision; usually, it is made promptly.

Wlk777

16 years ago

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From a Wiccan perspective, those who voted for the Arbitration Committee could be described, let's say, as having somewhat underdeveloped mental abilities... otherwise, they would undoubtedly ask to have disputed situations resolved not by the Arbitration Committee, but by Wiccan himself, "an authoritative figure whose opinion aligns with that of top players." I think that's how it is.

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