Posts from Additional elections to the Volda Appeals Committee.

Due to the fact that 2 members of the AK-2 (Javdet, Loi) have, shall we say, resigned, a by-election is being held for the Appeals Committee of Volda.

The additional selection will be made from those Players who, based on the results of the first vote in AK-2 and this vote, receive the most votes using the +/- system.

Currently in AK-2: Piterius, Javdet, Loi, numOne, vbn, Mizrael, Dubrovin Pavel.

You can vote for any Player.

For convenience, a list of Players who wish to be in the AK-2 of Volda is attached below (which, I repeat, does not exclude voting for any other candidate):

zloy romantik

AYMAN

GoD

Vigo

vitalic

Pit for LM

SpiriTT

Based on the results of the first vote in AK-2, the following Players received votes (using the +/- system):

SpiriTT: 6
Takotoraya: 5
SEM_56: 5
Captain: 4
Gomunguls: 3
rebellious: 2
Neoandy: 2
wowa: 1
Preds: 1

By default, the number of votes received by Players who have received a certain number of votes is retained. And those who voted for them in the first vote in AK-2 may not repeat their votes.

Please indicate in this thread the Players you would like to see in AK-2 instead of the members who have left the committee, Javdet and Loi.

Against Vigo. And for the other 5 participants (so as not to offend anyone).

For - Spirit
Against - Vigo

Who are all these people?! (c) :D Well, okay, since I've firmly established myself in the role of the opposition, let my voice be the next one:

For - ... damn, I'm even lost from the abundance of options :smile39:, just a bunch of impressive words and deeds :smile26:.

No offense, guys, I just have the feeling that you came here mainly to hang out, read the logs of previous discussions, and play around in the parliament. Because if that weren't the case, you would have been actively participating in these activities earlier, and therefore I would remember the positions and arguments you express. But that's not the case...

So, from the candidates provided, I don't see anyone I could raise my hand for; maybe there are some cool guys among you, but that's hidden from me for now.

From the "bench," I would vote for TaKo, Captain, Neo, Vova, and Predsa. They probably won't take on this task, but they still serve as an example that you need to be able to (and not be afraid to) express and promote your point of view. Because in both the first and second compositions of the AK, there is a clear shortage of people "with opinions."

Now, regarding the "against" vote. Here, Pit is in a league of his own... he put on a good show about his offended innocence, but he didn't step away from his duties, he actively participates in the AK's activities, and now he decided to officially reincarnate through additional elections.

This also happens in big politics sometimes; it's a scheme with a twist, but sometimes you have to use it to reset the situation and clear away accumulated negativity.

Of course, I understand that Pit will be forgiven again, so let's create the appearance of debates and democracy in the statistics so that future generations don't think that everything here happened like in the election of the general secretary :).

Also against Sir Homunculus; well, it's obvious, he's a comrade of Britva in terms of communication style, although his level of self-control is higher, it's not so easy to lift the veil. He didn't nominate himself, but just in case, in case he changes his mind...

That's all from me.

P.S. As I was just informed, I'm a troll and a rude person here, so don't take what I wrote too seriously. You're the ones who have to live here, not me ;)

За - Gomunguls

As I understand it, the main goal of the second AC is to resolve disputes.
To do this, first and foremost, one must possess a high, above-average skill level. (And only from these people should the most fair-minded be selected. Not the other way around.) And one must possess a high skill level not only in grinding SM games, but in as many templates and versions as possible. Because most of those currently in the AC cannot be called experts on multiple templates. In 8mm, for example, Yavdet and possibly Piterius. Similarly, if you try to name AC experts in VT, I can't imagine (or rather, I strongly doubt) how correctly Dubrovin, for example, could assess who a game situation on, say, 8xm12 on VT favors, if players in the AC appeal for a verdict on a winner. What — will Pit make the decision alone? Although, regarding versions — tournaments falling under the AC's influence on HW are seemingly only SoD-based. Perhaps playing on VT is banned in the season league, or the templates there are, for example, mirrored. Or is the AC not authorized to consider possible disputes related to the season league? Or maybe it's simply because everyone finds it convenient to tailor the AC to SoD, SM games, and disregard other possible cases? And Yavdet is about to leave the AC anyway...

Now about the individuals.

Dubrovin — I've long wanted to ask him a direct public question:
Alex, after a controversial situation involving him came to light, he spoke with Dubrovin on the phone. Pavel told him during the conversation that he completely believes in Alex's innocence and in Alex's words that all those controversial actions were performed by Cobra. After the voting results were disclosed, it turned out Dubrovin actually thinks differently.
Question: did such a conversation with Alex take place?
I believe the answer to this question is not indifferent to those people who rely on Dubrovin's words as a member of the AC.

Pit — it's high time this person privatized the section for Triple on HW. I am absolutely certain he will make it into the second AC. It's still unclear why the huge army of support he has remains silent.

P.S. I tried to write to the point and without insults, but I understand that the post will seem offensive to many, so I foresee a wave of indignation directed at me.

Pit for LM

SpiriTT

I've been thinking for a long time about what exactly the Anti-Cheat (AC) is, whether it's even necessary, and why its activities cause such a stir. Why are the main (and only) people spreading negativity those from other resources, and what is their goal?
I think it's time to talk seriously, without personal attacks, putting aside old grievances, and decide whether we need it or not, and if so, in what form.
1) Why did I even ask myself this question? Because the benefits provided by the AC are disproportionately small compared to the mess it creates (and everyone gets caught in this mess, not just AC members). Accordingly, the question arises: Why? Why and WHO needs it if life was easier and more peaceful without the AC?
2) The current AC system needs changes, that's obvious. I can't help but agree with the "opposition" (as they call themselves) - there is a lack of objectivity and personal motives, which a person simply cannot get rid of. Today, we have some kind of local voting mired in completely unnecessary formalities. How does this differ from a general vote on the forum? Perhaps only in that the AC conducts a more in-depth analysis of the controversial situation, while an open vote is more of a herd phenomenon, where half of the voters don't even look at the replays. But the problem is that novice cheaters who are too obvious and make gross mistakes do not require any investigation - everything is obvious anyway, and experienced players almost never get caught red-handed, and it is very difficult to pass judgment on them. The AC, accordingly, is afraid to issue a ban when the grounds are too flimsy. And that's quite logical.
3) What to do? Appoint an experienced "executioner" who will make decisions based on his own "intuition," or completely abolish this body and let everything be decided by a general vote, without any bans (people will simply draw their own conclusions - whether it is worth playing with this person and whether it is worth accepting him in tournaments)? I am inclined towards the second option.
4) As for the main talkers. You have already poured out tons of words, but said almost nothing substantial - only insults. Dubrovin and Pit are some of the people I respect the most, primarily because they DO things, not just talk. People are involved in the forum, organize tournaments, spend a lot of their personal time on things that don't bring much recognition. You, on the other hand, do nothing, but try to raise your status in the public eye by using empty rhetoric (I couldn't think of a better word) and slandering others. And that's it! It is also obvious that you are not getting enough recognition on your native resource (if you have one) and you have gone to engage in activities in other areas. But with your troll-like opposition, you are clearly missing the mark. In general, I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter, something constructive, and not just criticism. Seriously, I'm sure there are worthwhile ideas, it's time to implement them, enough talk.
5) If we remain without the AC, what will happen? Nothing terrible will happen. Novices will continue to turn to strong and experienced players for help, whether they are part of some structure or not - it doesn't matter. Tournament organizers should be able to refuse dubious players (regardless of their experience and authority) simply because "they decided so," without explanation. In a league, we will play with those with whom we feel comfortable anyway, and bans are of little importance here. And in general, there will be fewer reasons for arguing and more reasons to think with our heads.
Let's put the past behind us and look at things as they are.

against all

Pit for LM

They should not only be skilled in grinding out scenarios but also in knowing as many templates and versions as possible. Because most of those who are currently in the AK cannot be called experts in several templates. For example, Yavdet and possibly Peterius in 8mm. Similarly, if we were to name experts in VT from the AK, I can't imagine (or rather, I highly doubt) how accurately Dubrovin could assess, for example, which side has the advantage in a game situation on the same 8x12 map in VT if players from the AK were to ask him to give a verdict on the winner.

That made me smile :) So, in other templates besides CM, aren't the same things decisive – control, resources, parameters? Don't make me laugh :D At most, in VT, if he has experience, it might influence things. And you can't seriously think that your 8x12 map is so popular :D :D :D
P.S. If Dubrovin did have a phone conversation, Pavel might have changed his opinion after a more careful examination of the facts.

I've been thinking for a long time about what AK actually is. Is it even necessary? Why does its activity cause such a stir?

Have you ever tried giving a small child a mixer? Or a slightly older child a chainsaw?

Why are the main (and only) "shit-slingers" people from other resources, and what is their goal?

// whispering //
The goal is to sling shit, but don't tell anyone, let them continue to conspire. :).

4) Regarding the main talkers. You've already spewed tons of stuff, but you haven't said much of substance – just insults. In general, I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter, something constructive, and not just criticism. Seriously, I'm sure there are worthwhile ideas, it's time to put them into practice, enough talk.

People are wired to react more strongly to negativity, and therefore they mainly remember it. But in reality, there was a lot of constructive input. And, by the way, in points 2, 3, and 5, you briefly formulated what I had previously elaborated on in N volumes, scattered across many "shit-talking" threads; I can even find specific quotes.

Let's summarize: Wicc and Samurai versus AK. AK will continue to flood us with tons of troll-like content, in which, according to him, we should look for grains of sensible thoughts. We'll survive it.

Made me smile :) What, do other templates besides "SM" not involve the same control, gold, parameters? Don't make me laugh! :D

That's exactly what I'm talking about. A typical "SM" player's opinion. And extremely mistaken. The tactics on "SM" maps and, for example, 8xm are different, so a typical "SM" player will have a weak understanding of how to play correctly on 8xm—and therefore a possible misjudgment of the situation. A vivid example (even if on 8mm) — the save I conceded in my game with Cobra in the V.T. tournament for awarding LeBron and Mee, and the difference between their assessment and that of Vic, Cobra, Alex, and me.
But VLK's thought about the number of games on 8xm is correct: it's obvious that currently most local authorities completely ignore the interests of people who primarily play on templates other than "SM" (and to a slightly lesser extent, Jebus Cross). But that's politics now...

That's exactly what I'm talking about. A typical SM player's opinion. And extremely erroneous. The tactics on SM maps and, for example, 8xm are different, so a typical SM player will have a weak understanding of how to properly play on 8xm — and therefore a potentially incorrect assessment of the situation.

Enough with the therapy — on all templates the tactics are roughly the same: might-treasure zone-control. And when a save is submitted for judgment, all of that is usually already in place. Besides, I'll repeat, only a handful of people play your 8xm, you probably won't find a single report on HeroesWorld. If it becomes more popular, many will play it, including members of the Judgment Committee, and will study it (if they want, even from saves). Your attempts to find minor technicalities to support the main and almost sole oppositionist of the Judgment Committee are unconvincing somehow. And honestly, if anyone doesn't like the Judgment Committee — don't sign up for tournaments they judge, we'll manage somehow, no need to stir up trouble =)