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Did bRitvo4kA cheat on level 147?
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Dubrovin Pavel
Valentin, it would be better to use a percentage to make it clearer.
99.9% that they won't achieve a draw.
5% that the score will be 6-1 (4-1, etc.).
95% that it will be 7-0 (5-0, etc.).
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Please disregard my vote, as I only clicked to vote out of curiosity to see the voting results. I haven't looked at the saves, and honestly, I don't even want to.
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Took a look. It seems like "yes," but I'm not 100% sure, so I'll refrain from answering.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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At the request, I’ll say about Britva one more time (for the last time):
Britvochka cheats selectively — as I concluded from the last two games with him, where the level of his moves in the second game, in my firm belief, was an order of magnitude higher than in the first — apparently I angered him with my disrespectful wine in the first game, where he deigned to play without using his “gift of vision”...
So, I’ll repeat:
I have considered and still consider him a cheater. I wouldn’t sit down to... well, you know, on the same field with such people, let alone play; it just stinks... like it’s beneath me :)
And also...
It might sound a bit arrogant, but if such rats are allowed to be among you — then it’s even more not his problem, but the problem of those who allow it (a dig at those weaklings from both AK and the HeroesWorld forum who play at jurisdiction and democracy — like “I’m not sure,” “insufficient evidence,” “the fundamental unprovability of cheating online,” and so on and so forth). Everyone knows who the doormats are, right? :rolleyes:
And moreover, I believe most skilled and honest players are wary of playing with him...

And if the community tolerates such things (I see it from the results), then it’s fine with them; they will
put up with both the blatant, undisguised maphack of ATG and this rotten sheep (and the next one, which I think won’t be long in coming). I simply believe that then the point of no return will be crossed, and the level of trust in online games will reach a critically low level in the foreseeable future — that would be unfortunate...

I think that such a commotion in the Britvochka case is largely a result of the same situation with ATG, where:
1. AK acted spinelessly, without a principled stance — essentially nothing.
2. Many experienced players (some due to personal relationships and ambitions, like “let’s put that arrogant rabble in their place,” cuckoo-Vikk;), some simply out of love for chatter and a desire to boost their own importance) — began to mock, engage in legal casuistry, and undermine the authority of AK (which was created through the players’ own aspirations, in case anyone forgot). Not realizing that this would backfire on them later...

Well — in the case of ATG, they sowed a breeze, and now this isn’t even a storm (Britvochka is still, like, a shy kind of cheater, like “His whole being protested against theft, but he couldn’t help stealing. He stole, and he was ashamed”...). Others may come, and they will have no moral barriers left (the barriers are being removed right now, so to speak, in real time...).

Indeed, how can young and ambitious newcomers now reason: “So what? There’s ATG who maphacked (there’s even a video), and nothing much happened to him; they tried to catch Britvochka somehow, and it all ended in bleating; everyone hacks and even bullies and ‘kicks around’ those suckers who timidly try to object — and I’ll be tougher than all of them, I’ll tear apart this moaning stable right now. And those few who still advocate for absolutely fair play — where are they? And even they are probably not without sin...” It’s clear that I’m presenting the most radical spectrum of the moral imperative; there will also be those who only glance at the map once every other game, with their left eye, through a reflection in a mirror...

In short, the gist of this wall of text is this:
There are moments when you need to act more decisively — if you will, act according to the code, to respond, so to speak.
More specifically — give him the “do what must be done, come what may,” and if many AK members simply cannot shed their, let’s say, “softness” — then let AK follow the simple majority (then the question arises: why an AK in the form of a kind of expert council of sages — should they just hang polls one after another...?) and deliver a verdict of “acquitted due to lack of evidence” and, importantly, explain in detail that “lack of evidence” does not mean the person is fully exonerated — there simply wasn’t enough evidence...

And if not, then you can’t make a bullet out of crap, Cyrano...this will apply not only and not so much to AK, but to all of us, just so you know:)
P.S. The post is written with the aim of stating my personal opinion; please just take my final and firm view of the situation into account. I won’t argue with anyone here; if friends have clarifying questions, I’ll try to find time to answer in ICQ.

Edited July 17, edits in green. Reason for edit — softened the expression...
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I’ll say what I think, Valera. I got carried away when I voted for you in the AK. In any case, now that you are a member of the AK, you are OBLIGATED to be more restrained and clearly justify your opinion with facts. And you just write very controversial things, like the fact that most people refuse to play with Britva, and you also undeservedly insult those who trust him. First, prove that Andrey is a cheater, provide saves, facts, and then maybe I’ll believe it. For now, your post is just empty talk. If something is wrong, I apologize, but that’s what I think.
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Loi
This post is written to express my opinion; please simply take my final and firm view of the situation into account. I will not argue with anyone here, but if any friends have clarifying questions, I will try to find time and answer them in ICQ.

This is not an argument, but simply information (including, of course, my opinion).

I played with Alex only once; my impressions are purely personal:

In that game, a guaranteed victory was slipping away: if I had taken the harpies on the way to Pandora, I would have had the entire 5th level and the main hero, but instead, due to a lack of wisdom when taking it, I only had an advanced hero, which ultimately led to a legitimate surrender. BUT:

His understanding of ATGs – all the moves leading to victory – is, in my opinion, the most impressive among all the players I've played with. In other words, he works out ALL the options that can strengthen his position, and this is applicable to a specific pattern. There are many details – for example, a mage who has leveled up to around level 14 by defending resources, to whom a couple of angels were given for this purpose, and the coordinated work of the other "losers" in chains... There are many details, but the point is not this.
The point is that with such a game, maphacking is not needed at all to win. Of course, dwelling on the past is a faux pas, but in the Cobra case, the publicly blatant "maphacking" is more likely to indicate a blunder than a misuse that destroys the whole meaning of the game.

I'm saying this because subjectivity certainly has its place in any judgment.
But there are also well-known factors, namely:
the strength of someone AS A PLAYER.
And in the case of such strength, no one and nothing can sacrifice this strength, because by using maphacking, he himself doubts this strength!!!

And victory or defeat is just personal ambition, which takes a back seat to the meaning of the Game itself... sic! :)
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Loi
At the request, I'll say one more time (for the last) about Britva:
Britvochka cheats selectively — as I concluded from the last two games with him, where the level of his moves in the second game, in my firm belief, was an order of magnitude higher than the level of the first game — I must have angered him with my disrespectful whining in the first game, where he deigned to play without using his "gift of sight"...
So, I'll repeat:
I considered and still consider him a cheater. I wouldn't sit down to... crap with such people on the same field, let alone play; it just stinks... like it's beneath me :)
And also...
It may sound a bit arrogant — but if they allow such a degenerate to be among themselves, it's even more so not his problem, but the problem of those people who permit it (a dig at those spineless types, both from AK and from the HeroesWorld forum, who play at jurisdiction and democracy — like "I'm not sure, insufficient evidence of dragon fly hives, the fundamental unprovability of cheating online," etc., etc.). Everyone knows who the pushovers are? :rolleyes:
And besides, I believe most competent and honest players steer clear of playing with him...

And since the community tolerates this (I see by the results), it means it's fine with them; they will
tolerate both the blatant, undisguised maphack of ATG, and this mangy sheep (and the next one, which won't be long in coming, I think). I simply believe that then the point of no return will be crossed, and the level of trust in online games in the foreseeable future will reach a critically low level — that would be regrettable...

I think this kind of uproar in the analysis of the Britvochka case is largely a consequence of the same ATG incident, where:
1. AK acted spinelessly, without a principled stance, amounting to nothing.
2. Many experienced players (some due to personal relationships and ambitions, like "let's put the uppity plebs in their place," cuckoo-Vikk; ;), some simply out of a love for chatter and a desire to boost their own significance) — started mocking, engaging in legalistic casuistry, and undermining AK's authority (which was created by the aspirations of the players themselves, if anyone forgot). Not understanding that this will later come back as a boomerang, hitting them as well...

Well — with the ATG case, they sowed a light breeze, and now this isn't even a storm (Britvochka is like a sort of shameful cheater, like "His whole being protested against stealing, but he couldn't help but steal. He stole, and he was ashamed"...). Others may come who will have no moral barriers at all (the barriers are being removed right now, so to speak in real time...).

Indeed, how can young and ambitious newcomers now reason: what's the big deal, look, ATG maphacked (there's even video), and nothing much happened to him; they tried to nail Britvochka somehow, and it all ended in bleating; everyone hacks and even bullies and "kicks around" those suckers who timidly try to object — so I'll be tougher than everyone, I'll tear apart this moaning stable right now. And those few who still advocate for absolutely honest play — where are they, and even they are probably not sinless... It's clear that I'm presenting the most radical spectrum of the moral imperative; there will also be those who only look at the map once — every other game, out of the corner of their eye, or through a reflection in a mirror...

In short, the gist of this rant is this:
There are moments when you need to act more decisively — if you will, act according to the code, to respond, so to speak..
More specifically — give him a "do what must be done, come what may", and if many AK members can't get rid of their, let's say, "softness" — let AK bow to the simple majority (then one wonders what's the point of AK as a kind of expert council of sages — should they just keep posting polls... ) and give a verdict of "acquitted due to lack of evidence" and, importantly, explain in detail that "lack of evidence" means the person is not fully exonerated at all — there simply wasn't enough proof...

But if not, well, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear...this will apply not only and not so much to AK, but to all of us, just so you know:)
P.S. The post was written to express my personal opinion; please just take my final and firm view of the situation into account. I won't argue with anyone here; if friends have clarifying questions, I'll try to find time and answer them in ICQ.

After weighing everything, I still think the analysis was justified..... so my opinion is that cheating did indeed occur.
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The AC's decision regarding the Razor-Valenok match is as follows.

By a majority vote (4 - 3), the AC members concluded that there was no unfair play on the part of Razor (Andrey) when capturing Dragon Utopia on turn 147.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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It hadn't even been half a year...
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I did not expect such nasty words from you, loi :confused:
Loi
At your request, I will say one more time (for the last time) about Britva:
Britva cheats selectively — as I concluded from the last two games with him, where the level of his moves in the second game, in my firm belief, was an order of magnitude higher than the level of the first game — apparently I angered him with my disrespectful wine in the first game, where he deigned to play without using his "gift of vision"...
commenting on such accusations is simply ridiculous, but I will still reply.

The layout in the first game (as Barbarian): a respawn blocked by rocks, no stable, external dwelling of movement creatures, one road to the snow secondary, Trog's Consa, and not a single money-generating building on both respawns.

The layout in the second game (as Castle): a stable near the castle, a very rich respawn simply showered with money-generating buildings (9 crypts, 2 medusa dwellings, naga bank, dwarf dwelling), external dwelling of horses, Kyrre arrived on turn 2.

In short, judge for yourselves



P.S. Insulting people on the forum is prohibited, even for green moderators like loi
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