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Posts from A new beginning. The "Knights of Honor" tournament.
Will you participate in the “Knights of Honor” Tournaments?
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Yes, I will... (if you want, explain why)
41.7%10 votes
Let’s see what comes out of these discussions…
50%12 votes
No, I won’t… (if you want, explain why)
8.3%2 votes
Ta Kotoraya...
19 years ago
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I am naturally FOR the tournament. Regarding the version — I have TE now, so I don't mind holding the tournament on this version. However, as I see it, most people might have problems with that. Next — I don't know about playing by days — I've already said that I don't really like the race for days... But if the majority decides so — then so be it! In the first stage, I took last place — well, no matter ;) Learn and learn again!!! I hope there will be more participants this time! Next — yes, perhaps the timeframe should be shortened — but not less than 2.5 or 3 weeks — because specifically I , with today's pace of life, simply won't make it otherwise (actual free time is only on weekends). And one more thing — I am FOR the openness of the tournament!!! Meaning whoever sent the saves is a participant! Because in the first stage, this exact point caused quarrels and disputes... As for HONOR and HONESTY — well, we'll have to believe everyone all at once! ;) After all, we are HEROES!!!
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes: Лидер клана "Из многих единое" Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
Tournament rules have been adjusted based on existing rules... Let's submit suggestions and changes, as well as additions to them...;)
1. The tournament is conducted in three stages. The duration of each stage is 3 weeks, meaning there will be 21 days (can be increased up to a maximum of 4 weeks).
2. Each stage involves three save-tasks. Thus, the total number of tasks is nine, one for each race. The goal is to complete the assigned task as quickly as possible (roughly speaking, against the clock); I also suggest diversifying the tasks...(not just killing all enemies)
3. Competitive play takes place on maps selected (created) by the tournament organizers. The final decision regarding the number of opponents, map sizes, and terrain features (specifically water areas, mountains, teleports) is made by them.
4. At the end of each stage, the participant sends the winning saves. A winning save is made before the final battle. Winning saves should be named as follows: Stage № player nickname Task № For example: 1 Varg-Nar 2 . The map should be played under the nickname registered on the forum.
5. A player has the right to send as many winning saves as they managed to complete. Thus, the number of sent saves can range from 1 to 3. In case someone wishes to play in the tournament while Stage 2 is already underway, please do so; simply, in the final table, you will not have "honor" for Stage 1 of the tournament. A compromise is possible: you must inform the organizer that you want to play Stage 1... and receive an answer from the organizer as to whether your saves will be accepted if you decide to play the tasks for Stage 1... anyway, this can be discussed; we are finding a solution to this problem...
6. During the week following the end of each stage, results for each save are tallied. These will be entered into the table on the forum...
7. At the end of the third and final stage, general results are tallied. The results of all the player's winning saves are taken into account. How to calculate the rating (number of points earned per map) needs to be discussed; please suggest schemes... The tournament winner receives the corresponding title.
8. In case two or more participants earn the same number of rating points (let's call these points "honor", for example: Supreme earned 321-honor), we can also discuss... what to do in case of a tie in "honor" between players...
9. In case one or more players earn the same amount of "honor" in the general standings, a reasonable solution to the problem must be found; please suggest some...
10. In case of doubts regarding the fairness of the walkthrough, the player is OBLIGATED to provide saves for every day... If a player cannot send daily saves (for each day), their save will be annulled. Additionally, a description of their walkthrough is welcomed; it will make the verification take less time...
Task Walkthrough Rules...
1. When completing a save, one should be guided by the SPIRIT and IDEOLOGY of the tournament and be honest. 2. Hacking saves, using third-party programs ("hero diggers" etc.), as well as using cheat codes is strictly forbidden. 3. The following are prohibited: 3.1. Unfair play; 3.2. Use of the s/l method (specifically "digging for a hero", forcing weekly/monthly growth, etc.); 3.3. Use of any cheat codes regardless of the stage of completion, including "map exploration"; 3.4. Loading an autosave, specifically "grinding" a result through constant re-playing of each Gameplay sequence. 4. The following are permitted: (I think these points should remain, as players have different skill levels...) 4.1. Re-playing the game from the VERY beginning twice in case of losing the map. However, it is strictly forbidden to use saves from a previous attempt during the repeat walkthrough; 4.2. Re-playing the map once from the very beginning without explaining the reasons. However, it is strictly forbidden to use saves from a previous attempt during the repeat walkthrough. 5. The game is played as if against a live opponent, without constant saving and reloading. With the exception of daily saves, which may be needed to verify your walkthrough... 6. I emphasize once more: LOADING AN AUTOSAVE, SAVING THE GAME BEFORE A BATTLE, AND LOADING ANY SAVE OTHER THAN THE STARTING ONE IS UNACCEPTABLE!, as it contradicts the SPIRIT and RULES of the Tournament. Only loading a suspended game save in case the walkthrough is interrupted is permitted. Naturally, verifying this point is impossible... we rely on your Honesty... 7. In case of a Rule violation by a player, they are deprived of the right to complete subsequent stages, thereby losing their coveted final "honor" points...
Well, basically, let's discuss it now...
Message from nprf
First of all, I played not in spite of arguments, but in spite of the participants' unwillingness for me to play here!!! Because I believe that to change something, you must participate.
In principle, I am in favor of starting a new tournament rather than continuing this one.
Furthermore, I will only play if saves are made on a version no lower than 3.2 and TE! I've looked at this "Complete Collection 4.0" It's a nightmare; bugs from all versions are combined and now pop up regardless of who is playing! But I don't know what the unfortunate owners of 4.0 should do; it doesn't patch properly. It starts crashing.
To the essence of the rules. Everyone should have the ability to play! Participants are those who sent saves. I suggest significantly reducing the time limit for completing tasks. Play for days, not points, at least. Play only once. No "reconnaissance by fire"! We keep the ban on cheat codes and map viewing. A ban on using bugs of both the game and the map is mandatory! Whoever couldn't do it in one go—they couldn't; you can play any number of tasks.
The start date for the second tournament should be no earlier, but also no later than the beginning of November.
So to speak, we played to spite the enemy, but rest assured, you had and have no enemies there... I had nothing against your participation... as for you not being put on the participants list, that was just a clerical error... and I think we've already sorted all that out back then, so let's not dwell on the bad... And you were right to participate...:)
Regarding tournament versions, I agree; it is simply necessary to play on a version no lower than 3.2 and on the TE version... as that's just the thing...:) I have Platinum myself (yes, all bugs in one pot :D)... I'll have to find SoD somewhere and patch it..... what can you do, it must be done... Yes, any forum members who wish may play; it's more fun and interesting together... more competition... Regarding re-plays, I wrote about it in the rules... well, we can think about this (we are looking for a middle ground)...
Message from PALADIN
Let's formulate the idea first. As I understand it, the essence is playing without re-plays and reconnaissance. Everything else is just detail. If that's the idea, I'm ready to support it. However, we need to reduce the play time immediately. It's utopian to think that those who played all 40 days did so because of a lack of time. Just look at the forum activity to doubt this. Second—switching to TE; there you can ban cheat codes entirely, meaning if there is no map, reconnaissance is completely impossible. And third, full openness of the tournament—anyone who wants to play plays. Preferably more variety in tasks and a move away from playing for points—but that's not the most important part. The fundamental question is the judging of the tournament. It would be better if at least one final save from each participant were posted on the forum for verification using programs to check for cheating! I can ask Natasha; she won't refuse to check saves.
P.S. I suggest changing the poll! If it were a new tournament, then maybe. But as it is, I won't answer—I simply wasn't accepted here!!!
Yes, play time needs to be reduced; I suggest 3 or maximum 4 weeks... but 3 weeks is better of course....;) Yes, let's try to diversify the tasks... for interest. We won't play for points... we need to create our own same system for counting "honor" points... Regarding save verification... a good suggestion... If Natasha agrees, then we can use her help...... Regarding you simply not being accepted here, I don't understand... We will have a Worthy tournament, worthy of the name "Knights of Honor", these aren't just words... so you only need to have the desire... and play your heart out...:) No one is going to send you a refusal to participate in the tournament...
Message from GvozD
A tournament is good. But until there is certainty regarding the method of conduct, I cannot give a definitive decision on participating. But if a discussion starts, I will make a feasible contribution.
Come on, come on, it'll be interesting; don't stay silent, join the discussion...:)
Message from UTER
No, I won't; I already applied for one tournament but couldn't participate! Simply, when I study, I am away from home, meaning no access to Heroes or the internet! (possibly in summer or during winter break)
That's a pity, but who knows, maybe you can take part in the future....
Message from celt
Haven't decided which version to run the tournament on yet! I agree to Blade...
try to get it; patching SoD somewhere is no problem...:) don't refuse, try your best...;) It's more fun together...:)
Message from Qwerty
I can only play on "Buka Platinum". I have nothing else.
Dear Qwerty. I also count on your participation in the tournament... try to get the required version... Heroes can do Anything!:)
Message from Nowizard
I only have Blade. Is it suitable for playing?
Same here, get it wherever you want, just so you can play....:) I'd be glad!
Message from Prorock
My DESIRE to participate in the tournament outweighs my IGNORANCE of all its technical aspects. And therefore, I have decided to participate in the second stage (purely out of sporting interest). Having almost finished the map, I still don't know how events will unfold further: what happens on the arena, and how will they judge? And in general... WHAT should I do with my version? I have the so-called "Complete Collection (of bugs...)" by NPRF. Over the weekend, I ran out and bought myself ANOTHER Heroes Anthology (now I have two...), where I found SoD, although it's version 2.0! So what should I do: keep this ill-fated 4.0 collection, upgrade SoD from 2.0 to 3.2, or just install TE (TE is installed on WoG, right?)? And my WoG is also only version 3.2..... In short, it's a mess.... Who can tell me which direction to dig? I'm not afraid of difficulties, and I WANT and WILL participate in tournaments!
Thanks in advance!
Yeeeeeas, I'm also planning to run to the store and get SoD, then patch it... hope I don't miss...;) In my opinion, you'd better install TE... you can see how to do that here /topic/102/
I'm not afraid of difficulties, and I WANT and WILL participate in tournaments!
That's the kind of people we need!:) Go for it...
Message from Ta Kotoraya...
I am naturally FOR the tournament. Regarding the version—now I have TE, so I don't mind running the tournament on this version. However, as I see, most may have problems with this. Next—I don't know about playing for days—I already said that I don't like the race for days very much... But if the majority decides so—so be it! In the first stage, I took last place—well, no matter. Study and study again!!! I hope there will be more participants this time! Next—yes, perhaps the term should be reduced—but not less than 2.5 or 3 weeks—because specifically I, with today's pace of life, simply won't make it otherwise (really have free time only on weekends). And one more thing—I am FOR the openness of the tournament!!! Meaning whoever sent saves is a participant! Because in the first stage, this exact point caused quarrels and arguments... And HONOR and HONESTY—well, we'll have to trust everyone all at once! We are HEROES!!!
The fact that you got TE will now make your life easier... Regarding playing for points or days, we will play for days or time; the tasks will be diverse, so it will be interesting...:) Regarding the term, I agree to 3 weeks... We need to think about the point system, the "honor" system...;)
P.S. Friends, let's support the idea of the tournament... try to get the necessary versions, because if you try, it will work out...;) I count on your support!:) Times aren't great for me right now either, plenty of work and problems (those I told know), I wouldn't fight so desperately for the "Knights of Honor" Tournament if I were indifferent...
Let's say we played to spite our enemies, but be sure that you didn't have any enemies there and still don't... I had nothing against your participation... and the fact that you weren't included in the list of participants is just a list... and I think we already discussed all this back then, so let's not dwell on the negative... And you made the right decision by participating... :)
Regarding the tournament versions, I agree, it's simply necessary to play on version 3.2 or higher and on the TE version, as this is the best option... :) I myself have Platinum (yes, all the bugs are in one collection:D)... I will have to find SoD somewhere and patch it... what can you do, it has to be done... Of course, all forum members who want to participate can play, together it's more fun and interesting... more competition... About replays, I wrote about it in the rules... well, we can think about it (we are looking for a middle ground)...
Yes, yes, yes, I am also going to run to the store and buy SoD, so that I can later patch it... hopefully I won't miss out... ;) In my opinion, you should install TE... you can see how to do this here: /topic/102/
Regarding playing for points or days, we will play for days or time; the tasks will be varied, so it will be interesting... :) Regarding the duration, I agree with 3 weeks... We need to think about a point system, a "honor" system... ;)
P.S. Friends, let's support the idea of the tournament... try to get the necessary versions, because if you try, it will work out... ;) I am counting on your support! :) I don't have much free time right now either, there are plenty of things and problems (those who know me understand), I wouldn't fight so desperately for the "Knights of Honor" Tournament if I didn't care...
To spite many things: bugs, for example! It was clear that it was just a list, but what wasn't clear was: who and why proposed a principle for the tournament that deliberately provokes disputes among old and new participants!!! Yes, there were questions regarding saves... I looked at "The Complete Collection"... All that remains is to express condolences, not complaints... And how to patch it is still unclear. The language version does not match. Everything I tried to install doesn't work. My last chance is to try WoG directly, and then TE on top of it. I'll try - I'll write what the result is. The current arena tournament system is quite suitable for distributing places. That is, separate distribution of places for each task, and victory in the tournament based on the lowest total score for all stages. Very simple and understandable. Nothing more is needed. But ratings should be calculated as they are now – this is something different.
Eric Wynn
19 years ago
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I'm going to participate, but after reading all the previous posts, I still don't understand how to do it! Varg-Nar, explain in simple terms what and how it needs to be done.
Убей в себе государство... Е.Летов царство ему небесное...
Ибо во многой мудрости много печали,умножающий познание умножает скобь... Царь Соломон
Qwerty
19 years ago
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It's a shame that no tournaments for the classic third installment of Heroes will be held on our website.
I don't have the ability to obtain non-licensed versions.
Remove me from the list.
I'm going to participate, but after reading all the previous posts, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND how to do it! Warg-Nar, explain in simple terms what and how to do.
Friend, it's simple. First, you need to get a version of the game. Like SoD 3.2 or TE. Oh yeah, I forgot to say, then you need to have the desire to play, and that's it... :) If you want to make suggestions about running a tournament...
Message from Qwerty
It's a pity that no tournaments for the third Heroes classic will be held on our site. I don't have the opportunity to get non-licensed versions. Remove me from the list.
What, my friend, why are you so downcast? I'm sure we'll figure something out...
Делай вещи, дела-делай вещи и не залипай!8)
Eric Wynn
19 years ago
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I can get you the SoD version, but it definitely won't be 3.2.
Убей в себе государство... Е.Летов царство ему небесное...
Ибо во многой мудрости много печали,умножающий познание умножает скобь... Царь Соломон
Prorock
19 years ago
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I have WoG 3.2! I'm installing TE, and it says that the WoG files are corrupted. What's wrong? Maybe I need to update WoG first (to 3.58)? Although I doubt it. Or am I downloading the wrong thing? The site I'm downloading from says "expansion pack" in parentheses, and it's only a small file, but Natasha mentioned a size of 30 MB. Can you tell me what to do?
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Eric Wynn;38683
I can get SoD, but it's definitely not 3.2.
I have the same problem. I got it over the weekend, and it's only version 2.0. Do you know where I can upgrade it (because I'm sure it's possible)? I just don't have time to look for it right now.
Как много в жизни есть путей Для добродетелей и мира.
I am, of course, FOR the tournament. Regarding the version – now I have TE, so I don’t mind holding the tournament on this version. However, as I see, most people might have problems with this. Next – I don’t know about playing for days; I already said that I don’t really like the race for days... But if the majority decides so, then so be it! In the first stage, I took last place – well, it’s not a big deal ;) Learn and learn again!!! I hope this time there will be more participants! Next – yes, maybe the time should be shortened – but not less than 2.5 or 3 weeks – because specifically I simply won’t have time otherwise with my current lifestyle (I really only have free time on weekends). And also – I am FOR the openness of the tournament!!! That is, whoever sends the saves is a participant! Otherwise, this point caused disagreements and arguments in the first stage... And HONOR and HONESTY – well, I guess we’ll have to believe everyone at once! ;) We are HEROES after all!!!
Regarding the game version. In the rental tournament of 8 people, only one did not have TE. But the main thing is that there are no bugs in the save. And for this, TE needs to be installed on only one person who will generate the saves! Playing for points – it is difficult to summarize the results. But playing for days and points is also a game of speed. Regarding the timing, I don’t really want to wait long for the next assignments and would prefer to play all 9 in a week or two. And again, a New tournament, not a stage! Otherwise, I’m out!
Added 4 minutes ago Prorock;38687
I have WoG 3.2! I install TE – it says that the wog files are damaged (is broken). What’s wrong? Maybe I need to upgrade WoG first (i.e., to 3.58)? Although I doubt it. Or am I downloading something wrong? The site where I downloaded it says "add-on" in parentheses and it weighs very little, but Natasha wrote about a size of 30 MB. Please advise what to do?
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I have the same problem. I got it on the weekend, and it’s only version 2.0. Do you know where I can upgrade it (because I’m sure it’s possible)? I just don’t have time to look for it now.
I don’t understand something – “WoG 3.2” – maybe 3.52??? Then, indeed, you need to install the WoG update first. It seems that then you don’t need to download all 30 MB... Also, there should be no folder names in Russian in the path to the hmm3 folder. What is 2.0??? I will post all the patches on the forum in the coming days.
Added 8 minutes ago Qwerty;38635
It’s a pity that no tournament for the third Heroes classic will be held on our site. I don’t have the opportunity to get non-licensed versions:((( Remove me from the list.
I don’t understand what the problem is? If the save is made on TE, then it can be played on anything, there will be no bugs. And as for changing level 4 spells for heroes and other things, these are just details. I am for not allowing such freebies or for banning the use of spells until the magic tower of the required level is built (as it used to be in online games!). Also, it is better to immediately prohibit joining monsters – it will be more interesting and fairer!
I can get the SoD version, but it definitely won't be 3.2.
If it's 3.0, you need to go to the main page of HW, to the files section, and download the patch! It's only 2 Mb! But if it's 4.0, you'll have to put in some work. Natasha is preparing instructions on how to patch this mess.
Alan
19 years ago
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As for changing level 4 spells for heroes and other things, these are just details. I'm in favor of either eliminating this freebie or prohibiting the use of spells until the magic tower of the required level is built (as it was in the online version!). Also, it would be better to immediately prohibit adding monsters – it would be more interesting and fairer!
And so, the much-praised balance of the 3 heroes has finally been addressed, about which I've heard so much on this forum – prohibiting this, not using that, etc.
Because of this, I don't play any serious online Competitive games; I just can't enjoy a game that has been castrated (even for the sake of balance). Although I would like to test my skills...
P.S. Sorry for butting in on the topic... P.P.S. The licensed Heroes 3: The Shadow of Death version on one disc is version 3.0. Download patch 3.0-3.2 from this site, then the WoG version 3.58f (I think), then TE, and install them one after another. It is recommended to read the readme files to help with the installation. Everything installed perfectly for me. For those who have the complete collection of Heroes and their version 4.0, I can only sympathize, as I haven't found a way to patch them yet. Sincerely, Alan.
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
I can get the SoD, but it definitely won't be 3.2.
Great, get it and patch it to the required version...
Message from PALADIN
Regarding the game version. In a ranked tournament with 8 players, only one didn't have TE. But the main thing is that there are no bugs in the save. And for this, TE should only be with one person who will generate the saves! Playing for points makes it difficult to summarize the results. But days and points are also a game of speed. Regarding the timing, I don't really want to wait long for the next assignments and would prefer to play all 9 in a week or two. And again, it's a new tournament, not a stage! Otherwise, I'll pass!
Regarding the timing, yes, you want to play quickly, but others may not have time. Of course, we can prepare all the assignments and submit them to you ahead of schedule... but it will take a lot of time to prepare the assignment... And who said it was a stage? This is a new tournament, "Knights of Honor". Consider it an experiment... ;)
Message from nprf
If it's 3.0, you need to go to the main page of HW, to the files section, and download the patch! It's only 2 Mb! But if it's 4.0, you'll have to work on it. Natasha is preparing instructions on how to patch this nightmare.
Great, if Natasha succeeds, it will also solve my problem...
Message from Alan
And so, the much-praised balance of 3 Heroes has raised its head, about which I have heard so much on this forum, that is, to ban it, not to use it, etc.
Because of this, I don't play in any serious online competitions, I just can't enjoy castrating my favorite game (even for the sake of balance). Although I would like to test my skills...
Yes, I understand you, initially I also thought so... But you can't just sit still and be a hypocrite... you need to develop, gain experience, try your hand with other players... I will be glad if you participate, be brave, everything will work out... :)
Great! If Natasha manages to do it, then it will also solve my problem…
INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR TOURNAMENT EDITION 1.03P ON THE RUSSIAN VERSION OF THE COMPLETE COLLECTION HEROES MIGHT AND MAGIC 3 FROM “BUKA”
1. All subsequent operations apply only to the licensed product with version 4.0 (Heroes3.exe – 2.68 Mb – April 16, 2003). 2. Otherwise, you are doing everything at your own risk. 3. Rename the folder with the Heroes of version 4.0 as follows: D:\Program Files\Buka\3DO\hmm3 (or simply move it to D:\hmm3). The main thing is that there should be no letters other than English in the path to the game!!! 4. After moving, run the hmm3.reg registry file (version from January 13, 2004). /topic/at/32322/ 5. Run the game and make sure it works without errors. 6. Run allinone_358f.exe and extract it to any temporary folder. 7. Run Install.exe from this folder and follow the instructions. 8. You must accurately specify the path to Heroes 3, as in point 3 of these instructions. 9. Select English for WoG. 10. Run WoG and make sure it runs stably. 11. Russian texts in map names, etc., may not be displayed. If necessary, you can install the Russian version of WoG. 12. Following the instructions, install TE_v1_03.f.rar 13. Then install TE_103f_to103p.rar on top of it. 14. Install the Russian version of TE http://heroes.obninsk.ru/download/te...3p_rus_all.zip 15. The installation of TE is complete.
She's having problems logging into the forum again. And I also managed to log in somehow. That’s why I’m posting topics wherever I can without sorting them out. But there seem to be more questions about the installation here.
12. Following the instructions, install TE_v1_03.rus.all.zip.
Could you please tell me where to find these instructions and, specifically, this file (I already have everything else)? Also, what's going on with the forum? I've tried to send messages 20 times, and it keeps giving me errors.
Как много в жизни есть путей Для добродетелей и мира.
Я вернулся...
Alan
19 years ago
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2 Varg-Nar It's not about prudishness or fear; I've played quite a few clan wars in Warcraft (both the original and now in Dota). It's just that I generally don't like mods and similar things, preferring to play the game as provided by the developer. In my time, I participated in a couple of Heroes tournaments, and this absence of part of the game somehow killed the interest in what was happening. And I don't want to spend so much time on games that they turn from pleasure into work (as it does for most semi-pro and pro players).
I don't intend to join any clans either, despite my deep respect for many of their members. I'm a loner in general....
I would be happy to play simple online matches, although I have few chances with my Fortress. And as for 5, I have too little experience.....
It came out a bit jumbled, but I hope the general meaning is clear. Sincerely, Alan.
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.