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Okay, explain your vision for turn 145. What should have been done?

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So far, I haven't seen a single argument in favor of Britva that he wasn't cheating. He is undoubtedly a high-level player, but Heroes is such a game... it's quite possible that many players are "strong" because they don't get caught in similar situations with unfair actions... who knows, anything is possible, given the recent events.

P.S. I've been disappointed in the Heroes community for a long time. One person cheated, and almost everyone is trying to cover for him. Your psychology is obvious here, I understand everything perfectly!!! And with such actions, you will achieve a complete collapse after some time!! I understand, you want to protect a friend/idol/good comrade, but I, for example, don't know Valent at all; our communication with him took place in a very unfriendly atmosphere when it turned out that I was someone's clone, etc. But I looked at screenshots and saves and analyzed the situation many times! In my opinion, I definitely wouldn't jump into a "dark corner" hoping for a miracle and so on. The TERRITORY IS UNEXPLORED, IT IS UNEXPLORED, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?!?! HOW CAN YOU GO THERE WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT AND FORCE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE?!

The territory is UNEXPLORED, it's UNEXPLORED, what more do you need?!?! How can you go there with your entire army, if you don't know what's there?!

Well, yeah, it's best to just sit in your base, not sticking your nose out.

Alright then, explain your vision for 145. How should things have been handled?

I looked at the saves from 141 to 144. It became clearer. The Dragon Utopia was only revealed on 144. Before that, the direction of movement indeed leaned toward the sandy treasure zone; after the Dragon Utopia was revealed, it truly could have been changed... But, excuse my bluntness, I feel Britvochka's skill level is somewhat exaggerated. I am saying this based on reviewing the same-turn replays, not just one specific save.
And as for 145 specifically, I would take the Dragon Utopia with Craig and return everything to Gurni, and then further to Pink and into his treasure zone.
Also, I wouldn't use a folder to take the Dragon Utopia in the underground if maphack is active.
Personally, the question is settled for me. Yes, there is suspicion, but I won't claim that there was cheating.

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My explanation is quite clear:
After the game break initiated by Britva, he opened the save files and assessed the situation. Noticing a clear advantage for Valenok (let's put it briefly), he started looking for ways to counter it and not lose, because how could Britva lose to some Valenok? There's a dungeon nearby, near the metro exit, and it's just the right distance away... so, what if I don't play a walking unit, but run to it and open it, see if there's anything good inside? I already have control, I just need to adjust the stats... the dungeon is a level 2, and bam, they gave me a +6 sword for all! Not bad!!! I'll play, and immediately post here! No one will say anything to me - the dungeon is right next to the metro exit, so it's like I just happened to jump there and stumbled upon it - it's all logical.

That's the kind of motivation Britvachka had, I think.
Because that's the most rational explanation.
Although you can watch the saves even during the game, by launching a copy of the game or another version, and no one will ever notice... unless it's in a multiplayer game.
That's how it is, IMHO.
Try to prove the opposite? Can you? What will Britva himself say in his defense? He probably has nothing to say. He should have turned on the replay to demonstrate his game, instead of doing it this way, like a rat... now everyone knows what you're capable of in principle, and everyone will have a hint of doubt - and those who are covering for you are probably just not wanting to believe it, although in some part of their consciousness, they understand that they are acting foolishly right now.

I looked at saves 141 through 144. It became clearer. The Dragon Utopia was only revealed on 144. Before that, the direction of movement indeed leaned toward the sandy treasure zone; after the Dragon Utopia was revealed, it really could have been changed... But, excuse my bluntness, I feel Britvochka's skill level is somewhat exaggerated. I am saying this based on reviewing the under-layers, not just one specific save.
And as for 145 specifically, I would take the Dragon Utopia with Craig and return everything to Gurni, and then head toward the pink player and into their treasure zone.

Have you seen the template scheme? You played well in that way, but what's next? Well, if nothing useful was given in the pink AI's treasure zones, does that mean you should surrender? Calculate the time when you will arrive in that territory. Even if Craig takes the utopia on 147, you'll still need to return the army through the swamp, and only Craig has pathfinder. On 211 you can reach the pink player, then go into the treasure zone, and the road could easily take three or four days, or even more, then another three or four days for clearing + it would be a good idea to hold the chain to the Castle so that Nela doesn't accidentally appear from underground. Even if everything works out, Nela will likely already be settled on 217 in your Castle, having combed through the center (and you almost certainly won't have time to do anything properly before then, as you'll be wasting time on the road). Wouldn't it be better then not to go to the pink player, but immediately after taking the utopia, break through ГО and devour the underground treasure?

P.S. 2Redmi: I have nothing to say to you. Aside from everything else, I don't see any particular "pro-ness" in finding the utopia; it's a standard online move.

Have you seen the template scheme?

Have you seen the save files? Kreg takes the Utopia on day 146. He can give away the army on the same day.
Regarding the rest. I already wrote how I reason. Nelka has a strong army and good stats. She clearly built them up in her territory. The question is, where is it more likely to find something valuable: in the treasures cleared by Nelka, or in the treasure and respawn point of the Pink player? I think the computers don't start taking Utopias before 3 months. Plus, there's an unexplored desert treasure.
Also, you can get seriously punished by Nelka. This is more likely than catching her while she's expanding. After all, she has one advantage: it's her territory, and she sees everything there. And we only see a small piece, we don't have any views, so we won't be able to track her.
There are suspicious moments in these actions, but judging by the save files, Britvotchka is not a very strong player, so there can't be any powerful intellectual logic in his actions. Most likely, after taking the Utopia in the swamp, he wasn't thinking about catching Nelka while she's expanding or something else. He just thought, "There's some darkness here, I'm nearby, let me jump in and see what I can find." Personally, I (and I seem to be so smart, like I know how to write a lot of text, but only on forums) would probably do the same in the game. Well, with a 50% probability, for sure.

A raid on enemy territory disrupts the opponent's plans; at the end of the week, it's always useful to break chains, catch a "moosh" (presumably a valuable resource or objective), or take out a "dad" (perhaps a powerful enemy unit) on the offensive, etc. When everyone is farming in their own territory, it's one kind of game, but when an opponent appears on the horizon, it's a completely different game. :)

After listening to the opinions of many respected people, including the highly respected player readme, I decided to stick with the "no" option. Thanks for your attention.

I’ll try to answer some of the questions I managed to remember.
First, let me describe the game a bit.
So, Valenok and I played quite a while ago, specifically on April 10th, but I looked at our logs and refreshed my memory somewhat. He was the host in the game. At the beginning of the game, there were problems with passing turns and my autosave – it didn't want to work, leaving temp.gz files.
Then I figured out that the name BA/IEHOK, copied from his nickname, wasn't being accepted by the program because of the /I character. I replaced it, and it started working; that's why I have saves starting from 116.

Around 11 PM, I suggested postponing the game until next time, but my opponent asked to play for a little longer, so I ended up playing until 3 AM. I reached turn 144, passed the turn, and went to sleep. In the morning, we continued around 10 AM.
We played all day. At 4 PM, I received a call and had to leave.
This was the second break, at turn 223. In the evening, I returned and offered to finish the game, but my opponent was tired, so we found a mutually convenient time on April 17th and finished it to the end

I'm not going to argue; if you want, you can play the single-player mode and see for yourself. I already know that your approach is the worst.

The question is, where is it more likely to find good loot: in a treasure chest cleared by Nelka, or in a treasure chest and on the respawn point of a pink dragon? I don't think computers start taking Utopia creatures after 3 months.

There is no such question.
Even if the probability is lower, it's not about them. You can always return to your own treasure chest.

Plus, you can get completely wrecked by Nelka.

Please provide an example of how you can get completely wrecked by Nelka.

Redmi: (censored) I'm not defending Andrey-Breetva. Show me even one of my posts, except for the first one, where I do that. I'm only stating that, based on these saves, it's impossible to talk about maphacking. Do you see the difference between these two things, or is there no difference for you?

I once had a game with Andrey where I did something similar: I went into an uncleared treasure chest of my opponent and found an unopened Utopia creature with super-useful contents in the corner. Only in these saves, it was easy to find; you just had to go up from the road, while in my game, I also had to guess the direction on an unpaved road. So, for you, I'm also a bad cheater.

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I looked at the saves that Pavel posted at the time of the controversial situation, before and after it.

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I already said that I will try to find time tomorrow to sort through the save files and express my point of view. I just wanted to say that there is no need to oppose everyone who has expressed their opinion against the topic. Everyone has their own head on their shoulders. As for the others who voted for maphacking, they expressed their IMHO once and that's it... "and that's right, I'll even say more - it's correct":D

I couldn't get through all the comments, so I might be repeating someone.

Valenok showed me this save quite a while ago; he didn't tell me the opponent's name or other details.

The jump over the rocks to the lift is a reasonable move; I could easily have done that myself. The goal here is clear—break the chain, catch the same-color hero on the move, disrupt the opponent's plans, etc.

But! Heading toward the Dragon Utopia is a heavily negative move (if you can't see the Dragon Utopia). Running across off-road terrain while there are still unexplored roads is not very strategic at all, and having your same-color hero run off-road where "everything has already been stolen before us," especially without prior scouting, is complete nonsense. Or a cheat. A normal move here would have been to either continue along the road or portal home.

When I found out it was Britvochka, the picture became clear. As far as I remember, this isn't the first time such allegations have been made against him. However, previous times were without physical evidence, based purely on intuition (which many advanced Heroes players have well-developed).

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So, the opinion is as follows:
1) Britva cheated in the specified match.
2) Britva systematically cheats in general (how often—I don't know).
3) He won't be able to cure himself of this, because for him there is neither meaning nor desire nor resistance to temptation in playing fair.

Maybe someone is interested — I'll lay out my logic of actions. During the game, Valenok wrote to me that he had 5 stacks of angels, and gremlins came through the portal. I might have believed him, but then he reassured me with the phrase — just kidding, of course.
After taking the swamp Dragon Utopia, Gurney 29,8,11,10 (163) — in the tavern Nelka 11,29,7,20 is shining, enemy scout heroes are running along the Inferno road. There were two options for continuation: split to the main and go for Pink, or go towards the enemy. Splitting home in 1 day didn't work out, because hauling a behemoth through the swamp is no easy job, and Kregg with Pathfinding had been sent home after the medusa fight. I assessed the situation: combat magic, mass spells available, only a 3-point advantage in attacking stats, but in magic and most importantly I had shackles I could use to catch the enemy. You can put on shackles when you're sure you'll win the battle, and that can be estimated when you approach the enemy yourself, not when he approaches you. Why did I go upward? After teleporting, I see the entrance to the opponent's treasure zone — I enter, kill the scout hero, the road leads to a secondary hero where everything has likely been eaten. The opponent, on his next turn, would have assessed my forces, gathered everyone, split, and attacked. But it was advantageous for me to attack first and with shackles catch the scout heroes, maybe even feel out the hero with Dimension Door and Fly — plus the possibility of being attacked slows the enemy down, preventing them from getting up to speed.

Today, after reading the discussion, I decided to talk to Valenok — here
Maybe one of you can give me a comprehensive answer to my questions?
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