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Again... it would be preferable to have a more specific timeframe. ;) But the chances are not very high.
Dyrman
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Саня Изи
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Again... it would be preferable to have a more specific timeframe ;)
But the chances are not very high :(
Dyrman
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Well, if it's a late-game map and we've been playing for 4 months, the hero Vingaël is the mentor. :o :)
Mish-gan
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If Wing is present, Inferno is doomed! There's no way around it... In my opinion, Wing is too overpowered at that stage of the game.
When we play at that stage, we ban certain heroes from each other's sides.
I can't agree with you about Wing's absolute overpoweredness; believe me, it's not that simple (this applies to the late and even super late game). For example, with proper play and development, Wing has virtually no chance against Dwarves, Necromancers, and the Academy. As for other factions, it's the opposite; Haven, Inferno, and the Elves have no chance against Wing. The only faction that has a "fifty-fifty" chance against Wing is the Orcs, but it depends a lot on artifacts and the right strategy during the battle.
I'm more than sure that there are no overpowered heroes in the game; there's a counter-hero or counter-faction for everyone. Based on experience, I can highlight the leaders who can stand up to any faction: Dwarves, Necromancers, and the Academy.
Саня Изи
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Well, Misha, we're discussing demons here, so Necropolis, Fortress, and Academy units are out of place. If you suggested a tactic on how a Demon can counter Wing, that would be a different story. It's clear that the person meant Wing is overpowered against Demons. But I feel that there's a tactic here, and it involves going into Chaos for it. I'll even say more – I even managed to deal with Elves when I played in training mode, but the main problem here is to block the archers and do everything as quickly as possible, so the opponent shouldn't have artifacts like the "Initiate" and "Staff of the Underworld."
valery
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Regarding the "cheating" aspect of the Winged unit, I'd like to point out that its most dangerous ability is hit-and-run. Without it, the unit is quite manageable.
Dyrman
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This person clearly meant that Wing is overpowered for demons.
It's not a problem to get artifacts for initiative at that stage. How do you defeat a Wing at level 30? He will have 3 artifacts for initiative, and he might even have one from the dragon set - that one also provides a good amount of initiative. I can't imagine how a good player could defeat Wing with Inferno at that stage. Staff of the Underworld + Cloak of Deathly Shadows + Stormwind (and even then, Light) - absolutely necessary!!! And play as Nibros... hmm. I don't see any other options. And even that isn't a very good option :(
Саня Изи
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I think there is a way for demons to compete with elves, and I suggest focusing on the Chaos faction to achieve this. What do you think?
Dyrman
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Nah... We won't have time to cast Armageddon to reduce defense (it won't affect ours anyway), and it's not worth leveling up other Chaos spells with that much magic. It's more realistic to fight on a large arena where there will be an opportunity to counter. It would also be good to have a ring against morale and a cloak of deadly shadows, and the Staff of the Underworld. Otherwise, the elf with his morale will just overwhelm us.
I still think Chaos won't help: killing 6 levels for it isn't worth it. I rarely play against elves in the very late game because I don't particularly like long games. I only have one acquaintance who likes elves in HotS, but he doesn't like to play for a long time, so the game ends up being a matter of luck... I don't know, it's been a while since I played that matchup, I need to try to kill some time, but Chaos, in my opinion, won't help.
I still think Chaos won't help: killing 6 levels for it isn't worth it. I rarely play against elves in the very late game because I don't particularly like long games. I only have one acquaintance who likes elves in HotS, but he doesn't like to play for a long time, so the game ends up being a matter of luck... I don't know, it's been a while since I played that matchup, I need to try to kill some time, but Chaos, in my opinion, won't help.
Саня Изи
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I think the main thing is to kill the archers and druids at the beginning so they don't overwhelm the Gatekeepers. Then, you need to summon drakes or trees, preferably trees, to confuse the drakes and unicorns. After that, quickly summon more units, and it should work out fine. You can use Chaos magic on the druids and archers to quickly eliminate them. Meteor Shower + Boots + some artifacts that boost spell power. And you can level up spell power in one way, but I won't reveal how (it's a trade secret). You can also use Darkness magic, of course. For example, Berserk on the trees – if the archers and druids are behind them, it's game over for them. However, dealing with the drakes under Elven Luck is a challenge. You'll have to take Summoning Mastery to summon quickly. A staff isn't bad, but why the rest of the junk from the set? I don't think removing Spirit is necessary here. Also, don't remove Luck. I don't think Nibros is necessary because the drakes will reach them anyway, unless it's for the unicorns, but I think Nimue is better in that case because we need more summoning points to kill more of those lucky elves at once.
Dyrman
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And you can upgrade magic in only one way, although I won't say how (it's a trade secret).
Once again: I'm playing HotS, so my opponents will notice what I'm doing, and to put it mildly, I'm doomed. :)
A staff isn't bad, but why the rest of the junk from the set?
1) -2 to enemy morale and luck
2) -20% initiative
3) -1 speed!!!! - that's what's important against an Elf!!!
but I think Nimue is still better here, because we need more gating to kill more strong, lucky Elves at once.
The enemy will have a tactic, and probably Retribution. And they might not even have True Sight.
Therefore, so that the opponent doesn't use tactics, we'll take Nebiros, because with Nimue, troops will be summoned and sometimes, without a turn, except for the horses and dogs summoned, they will retreat back to hell.
The problem with Nebiros is that you'll have to change his tactics to something to achieve Super Units, and his special ability is weak...
But the choice is bad, because Inferno doesn't have any particularly strong counter-heroes against Elves...
You can try, but only not in an open field. Nimue is best for sieges or defending a castle... But how do you lure an Elf there?
Of course, you can try to upgrade Nimue with Light spells, Storm spells, and find spells + cloak + staff + ring of speed. But the Elf will have tactics, Boots of Striding, aura of speed... It's tough... here you can only rely on good luck and the opponent making a mistake. If only Super Units were acquired on the way to achieving Super Units...
Саня Изи
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You are deeply mistaken... The Staff with Cloak of Deadly Shadow is:
1) -2 combat spirit and luck for the opponent
2) -20% initiative
3) -1 speed!!!! This is what matters against an Elf!!!
20% initiative on the staff - I'm not saying I'm against the staff
-1 speed won't help, because there are Boots of Speed and Aura of Speed
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The enemy will have a tactic, and probably Retribution. But there might not be true luck.
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You can try it, but not in an open field. Nimues is best during a siege or defending a Castle... The only question is, how do you lure the Elf?
It seems to me that taking a Castle from such an Elf is suicide.
And regarding the idea that you need to focus on Light magic just to reduce the speed of the Warriors and Nymphs - I think that's a bad idea. We need to come up with something else. By the way, do you know about the Elf tactic of using several Berserkers? That's where a Demon might really be in trouble. In any case, besides Nimues, I don't see any other candidates.
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Once again: I'm playing hot seat, so opponents will notice what I'm doing, and to put it mildly, I'm doomed :)
Dyrman
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It seems to me that taking a Castle from such an Elf is suicide.
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How is it even possible to play like that?
I'm saying, we play, seeing what the other person will do. We don't even let a mentor, even if there is one, get too much practice.
The most important thing in the game, even in HotS, is not the game itself, who wins or defeats, but how we communicate or "how did you manage to win?", or show friends a mega-build, something unconventional... Or they surprise me in the game... etc. The main thing is positive emotions... Playing online doesn't give me that. Why play online if you can play HotS well? Yes, sometimes we play online, but in the same room.)
Since I play HotS, my tactics are different... IMHO, it's not very logical to argue.
-1 speed won't help, because there are boots of speed and an aura of speed.
And regarding the fact that you need to invest in Light just to reduce the speed of Warriors and Nymphs - it seems to me that this is a bad idea.
In any case, besides Nimue, I don't see any other candidates.
And can you even play online?
Саня Изи
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I think the ranged attacks will still hit on the first turn, and nymphs usually provide cover. The main thing, as I already said, is to get rid of the archers. As for the creatures of light, what could be particularly interesting for a demon there? At the very least, it won't reach divine power with acceleration. Divine Vengeance will be weak, and there won't be time to use it either. Only Darkness is effective here. IMHO.
MararV
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Guys, I need your help. Today, I decided to play Heroes 5 for the first time (before that, I only played single-player) and I don't know any tactics or what units to recruit and for which heroes. So, I want to ask you: in what order should I build a castle, capture mines, which units should I buy, which heroes should I use to clear neutral creatures, and how should this happen? What skills should I develop for each hero, which schools of magic, and why, so that I don't just follow some scheme, but also understand why and why I'm developing exactly this way, exactly this hero, exactly in this situation.
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