Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. — Tournament Committee

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6/3/2010 8:31 PM UTC

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Alessandro

Today, I played a match in the qualifiers for FB 7, against Logistic. Around turn 117, my opponent said that a message appeared stating that his hero had already been freed and he didn't receive the hero. He then left the game. I request that the admins investigate. I am ready to provide the save files.
P.S. We were playing in SOD.

The admins have received the request and will issue a decision.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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6/4/2010 3:14 PM UTC

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Alessandro

Request to the Arbitration Committee to investigate.

The Arbitration Committee's decision regarding this game.

The game must be continued; that is, if Logisti k did not save during their turn, they must repeat the turn up to the point of disconnection.

If they refuse to continue, Logisti k will be declared the loser.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

In reply to Дубровин Павел

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6/4/2010 3:25 PM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

The Arbitration Committee's decision regarding this game.

The game must be continued; that is, if Logisti k did not save during their turn, they must repeat the turn up to the point where they exited the game.

If they refuse to continue, Logisti k will be declared the loser.

If (for example) Alessandro refuses to continue, who will be declared the loser? This could create an important precedent...

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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Wlk777

If (let's say) Alessandro refuses to continue, who will be declared the loser? This could set an important precedent...

No, Alessandro is determined to continue.

But if we consider it theoretically, if Alessandro refuses to continue, I would lean towards a rematch or not awarding points to anyone. Because Logistics can also be understood (it can be considered a bug in the game) when he left.
I remember Captain (Sasha) gave me the opportunity to restart the game in a similar situation, and I have great respect for him for that!

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

In reply to Дубровин Павел

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6/4/2010 3:35 PM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

No, Alessandro is determined to continue.

I'm glad for them, but what if he had refused? Just IMHO, it's important to make it clear to people that quitting the game will result in an automatic loss, so there won't be any unnecessary arguments later.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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6/5/2010 4:12 AM UTC

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Wlk777

I'm happy for them, but what if he had refused? Just IMO, it should be made clear to people that leaving the game results in an automatic loss, so there are no unnecessary arguments later.

Before leaving, Vlad (Logistik) warned me that he was leaving because he wasn't allowed to have a hero in the Dungeon.

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6/6/2010 7:32 AM UTC

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An empty dungeon is a fairly common bug in Heroes.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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6/6/2010 9:27 AM UTC

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SEM_56

The Logistic acted incorrectly; it seems he hadn't encountered this before...
But quitting the game isn't a solution.

Wlk777

I'm glad for them, but what if he had refused? In my opinion, it's important to make it clear to people that quitting the game results in an automatic loss, to avoid unnecessary arguments later.

don't make a puddle:rolleyes: -- the solution was agreed upon

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Oelm

An empty dungeon is a common bug in Heroes.

so the question is, how to deal with the bug: ignore it or fix it, minimize the consequences?
Are the rules the same for all bugs, or is there an individual approach for each?
Maybe in this case, it's actually a feature?!:rolleyes:

Весна 2014

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6/6/2010 11:50 AM UTC

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Logisti k

Maybe in this case, it's actually a feature?!:rolleyes:

Well, you can add a rule to cover it, but this kind of situation happens only a couple of times out of 100 games)))
You just need to be aware of it...

Ушел с героев, пока пряники)

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6/6/2010 7:23 PM UTC

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SEM_56

You can add a rule to cover this, but this kind of situation happens only a couple of times in 100 games...
You just need to be aware of it.

That's true... you always need to keep this situation in mind... and in my experience, it happens about once in every 500 games.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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6/7/2010 6:18 AM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

Yes, this is true... you should always keep such a situation in mind... as for it happening to me, the statistics are 1 time in 500 games.

Yesterday, I had a similar situation...
And for me, it's about 1 time in 450 games.

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6/7/2010 6:57 AM UTC

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SEM_56

Just yesterday, I had a similar situation...
And that's exactly what happened: 1 time, somewhere around 450 gold.

Well, you guys are quite the mathematicians. You calculate like Ketch or like Vic :)
i.e., you just pull numbers out of thin air.

In Heroes 3, there are a total of 144 heroes. On average, 5 dungeons are generated on the map. Now let's calculate the probability of the Logistics event :)

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

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6/7/2010 7:24 AM UTC

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you could also add the value of the dungeon and the value of the contents, depending on the template, combine this into a nice formula, and then you can confidently show off :D

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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6/7/2010 7:54 AM UTC

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Captain

On average, 5 dungeons are generated on the map.

Where did you get this information from? From the same source? :)

Besides, not all dungeons are needed, but only those with first-level heroes.

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6/7/2010 7:57 AM UTC

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Wicc

Where does that info come from? Out of thin air? :)

Besides, not all prisons are needed, only those with level 1 heroes.

Nope :)
I have a special program that calculates such statistics :)
of course, I mainly play smku and Jebus Cross. On other templates, for example Balance, there will be fewer prisons.

P.S. regarding level 1 heroes.. did you check? interesting actually... I should create a test map and check with a hero digger.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.