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Wlk777

16 years ago

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I would also like to finally debunk the myth invented by Wick-Catch about the "schism in the Heroes movement". What movement, what is this? Where is the schism—just the puffed-up lips of a few pompous comrades—a terrible disaster for HeroesWorld ))). And also—it's time to understand: any player who actively and regularly plays online does much more for the "Heroes movement" than any fluff writer who, with kilometers-long posts, tries to impose their opinion in a condescending and preachy manner, without even realizing that they are not a primary school teacher, and if people don't want to listen to them (many ignore them, some directly tell them to go away), then they should curb their ardor.

Catch

16 years ago

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If it weren't for the "flooders with mile-long posts," many AC fans would still be sitting in their sandbox, goggle-eyed, spinning tall tales about the terrible Bay and its fierce inhabitants.
Over the past two years, the level of play on HeroesWorld has noticeably increased, which is evident from cross-server tournaments at the very least. I wonder what could be driving this growth?
And another thing. At the last meeting in N-sk, they discussed the games of certain comrades — so, about ATG, they talked about how in one game he took a Hive and for a long time couldn't figure out how he achieved such losses. Practically minimal. Then they found the setup that produces that result. This evoked nothing but admiration. They also analyzed a game by one of the AC fans, and all the attention there was focused on a leap into the dark, a la Vitalik. If, for you, mastery is learning the skill of jumping like that, then you'd better sign up for a master class from Looser. But I hope that for the vast majority, Alex's experience is still more valuable — in a game he takes a Hive in a couple of minutes with losses that other players achieve only after several hours in offline. And that is just a small fraction of his skill.

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scorp

16 years ago

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to Ketch
and what's the point of your post? Go to Discord and ask for the stream number. Alex doesn't seem to be hiding from viewers, but if he doesn't give you the number...
there's a MEGA streamer)), I haven't heard anything offensive from him/respect and honor/and watching his gameplay is a pleasure

it's all a matter of taste...

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Catch

Over the past two years, the skill level on ХВ has noticeably increased, which is evident from inter-portal games at least. I wonder what could be causing it to grow?

From regular online games, which is actually what improves the skill of normal players. For many, the most interesting part is learning something on their own, possibly developing their own style, rather than just mindlessly watching ATG replays and copying them.

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Wlk777

Regular online games are where the skills of good players actually improve.

There are real-life examples where a player plays almost 100 games in a season, but there is no improvement in skill. Skill is not developed in games!

Wlk777

For many, the most interesting thing is to learn something new, to develop their own style, rather than just watch ATG streams and copy.

When there is something to learn, then copying is not a sin. For example, if I play Luna, is there anything wrong with someone copying me?

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Dirty_Player

There are real-life examples of players who play over 100 games in a season, but their skill level doesn't improve.

There's an opinion that if a person's skill doesn't improve after 100 online games (if such people even exist, most people's skills do improve) then watching replays of other players won't help much anymore; it's time to switch to chess =)

Dirty_Player

Skill is actually developed not in games!

LOL!!!

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Catch

16 years ago

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scorp

and what's the point of your post?

The point is that losing one player who is as skilled as Alex (and there are only a few like him) is much worse for the forum than losing a couple of dozen "jumpers in the dark."

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Wlk777

LOL!!!! )))

Skill doesn't depend on the number of games played. Skill improves through analyzing your own games and those of others, analyzing standards, and so on. Simply playing two games every day won't help much. There will be some progress, but it will be minimal – you'll simply reach your limit and hit a plateau.

Wlk777

It's time to switch to chess =)

Have you ever played chess? Just curious.

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PReDS

16 years ago

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Wlk777

Dirty_Player...Skill is not developed in games!...

LOL!!!! )))At least be honest here. When a newbie offers to play and says that they haven't played online yet, but have been playing hot-seat with friends for 2 years and winning against everyone, do you really expect a good level of play from them?

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Catch

The loss of one player, equal in skill to Alex (and there are very few like him), is much worse for the forum than the loss of a couple of dozen "jumpers in the dark."

I'm sure you're nowhere near as skilled as even the "jumpers in the dark," but you're an unparalleled master at trolling and stirring up trouble. Personally, I don't believe that you're doing it "to develop the Heroes community" – it's more like the syndrome of old women on a bench – gossiping and criticizing others – that's the real thrill for people like you.

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Catch

16 years ago

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Dirty_Player

Skill doesn't depend on the number of games played. Skill improves through analyzing your own games and those of others, analyzing standards, and so on. Simply playing two games every day won't help much. There will be some progress, but it will be minimal – you'll just reach your limit and stagnate.

No, Kostya... It also depends on who you're playing with. You can play with top players and learn in the process, or you can play with players of your own level, build a Capitol on turn two ;) and remain a noob.
But overall, the process of improving your skills undoubtedly requires what you mentioned.

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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PReDS

At least be honest here. When a newbie suggests a game and claims they haven't played online yet, but have been playing hotseat with friends for 2 years and winning against everyone, do you really expect a high level of play from them?

I can only speak for myself – when I came to the forum, I had no online experience (hotseat and a few LAN games), but I didn't lose all my games from the very beginning (I even won against a solid mid-tier player, Dubrovin, right away – although I was playing much worse than I am now, I admit). So, it depends on the person (as far as I know, there are other similar players – Gomunculus, Ayman, etc., and I think there are many of them).

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Wlk777

I can only speak for myself.

Since you can speak for yourself, go ahead and do so. You've played a lot of online games. How would you rate your skill level? Top, Average, or Noob? If we take Pasha as an example, he has probably played more games than anyone else on this forum. But he hasn't managed to rise above the average level. And then there are people like Pit or LeBron, who, after playing 20 games, already started to claim a spot on the HW team. Is it just a coincidence?

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Wlk777

16 years ago

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Dirty_Player

Since you can speak for yourself, then speak. You've played a lot of online games. How do you rate your skill? Top, Average, or Noob?

If we take Pasha as an example. He has probably played more games than anyone on this forum. But he never rose above average level. And there are people, like Pit or LeBron, who after playing 20 games already became contenders for the HeroesWorld national team. Coincidence?

I'm probably repeating myself for the 178th time — the current skill level of many players is roughly equal, a lot depends on the layout and composure, and as for someone playing 20 games and already making the national team — that comes down to ability. I once played with a guy who ran his main hero around with unupgraded Dwarves the entire game; I explained speed-building to him — he was surprised. Okay, about 3 months later he offered to play me again — I thought, maybe he's learned something by now — not at all, he didn't even really remember speed-building... This is all to say that everyone has different abilities and needs; for some, the most important thing is to sharply raise their level through others' lessons, for others it's to figure it out themselves through long games — and believe me, that is entirely possible.

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Wlk777

The skill level of many players is roughly the same.

I can agree with many things, but never with this! It's the same as saying that in poker, everyone has the same skill level, but some people just get better cards.

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