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Damn... I really wanted to play...
Okay, I'll come anyway :).
Okay, I'll come anyway :).
Wicc
Posts from Michurinsk. June 25-27.
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Wicc
oxygen_hl
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I've never been to the Michurinsk tournaments. I'd like to check them out.
I'll probably come with my wife. We'll be driving from Moscow. So, if anyone wants to join us, I can easily take three people.
Kobra, if you still want a t-shirt, I can bring one ;)
I'll probably come with my wife. We'll be driving from Moscow. So, if anyone wants to join us, I can easily take three people.
Kobra, if you still want a t-shirt, I can bring one ;)
Я в мечеть не за праведным словом пришёл.
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
© О. Хайям
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
© О. Хайям
DoberMan_H3_TE
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I'm 90% sure I'll be there. If 4-5 people come with Bay, then it's 99%.
I might come with Samurai in his car (haven't talked to him about it yet). Although, as far as I know, he's had a falling out with many people here. But I think online communication and in-person communication are completely different.
Now, regarding the organization. I understand that with only 3 days, we can't hold a proper tournament, but 4 rounds is still a lot (we definitely won't be able to play that many). Plus, with the number of players from 17 and up, a Swiss-system tournament won't determine a winner in 4 rounds. I don't know what to suggest as a better alternative, so, gritting my teeth, we'll go with it. :)
As for the money, 800 rubles for the hotel is a small amount, so that's fine. I couldn't find any information about the prize pool. I think we should make the tournament entry fee at least $50.
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By the way, I have an idea for discussion. Nagan, think about it, maybe you'll like it.
Vika's idea about a match between Michurinsk and "outsiders" is still interesting. Here's the proposed format. For example, 8 vs. 8 (the number is counted on the spot based on who actually shows up). It's realistic to play 3 rounds (1 per day, so as not to interfere with the "cultural" program).
Accordingly, each player from Michurinsk will play 3 games against unfamiliar opponents. You'll agree that with this number of players from Michurinsk, a Swiss-system tournament will easily pit them against each other. But playing 2-3 rounds against a familiar opponent from their Michurinsk Heroes of Might and Magic group isn't as interesting.
In each round, as in chess, 8 points are awarded (for an 8 vs. 8 game). The points from the three rounds are summed up. Accordingly, the team with the most points wins.
Money contributions from the entire team (negotiable). The collected prize fund, if desired, can be spent on drinks during the three days of the tournament. On the last day, based on the match results, we'll find out who paid for the drinks. :)
I might come with Samurai in his car (haven't talked to him about it yet). Although, as far as I know, he's had a falling out with many people here. But I think online communication and in-person communication are completely different.
Now, regarding the organization. I understand that with only 3 days, we can't hold a proper tournament, but 4 rounds is still a lot (we definitely won't be able to play that many). Plus, with the number of players from 17 and up, a Swiss-system tournament won't determine a winner in 4 rounds. I don't know what to suggest as a better alternative, so, gritting my teeth, we'll go with it. :)
As for the money, 800 rubles for the hotel is a small amount, so that's fine. I couldn't find any information about the prize pool. I think we should make the tournament entry fee at least $50.
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By the way, I have an idea for discussion. Nagan, think about it, maybe you'll like it.
Vika's idea about a match between Michurinsk and "outsiders" is still interesting. Here's the proposed format. For example, 8 vs. 8 (the number is counted on the spot based on who actually shows up). It's realistic to play 3 rounds (1 per day, so as not to interfere with the "cultural" program).
Accordingly, each player from Michurinsk will play 3 games against unfamiliar opponents. You'll agree that with this number of players from Michurinsk, a Swiss-system tournament will easily pit them against each other. But playing 2-3 rounds against a familiar opponent from their Michurinsk Heroes of Might and Magic group isn't as interesting.
In each round, as in chess, 8 points are awarded (for an 8 vs. 8 game). The points from the three rounds are summed up. Accordingly, the team with the most points wins.
Money contributions from the entire team (negotiable). The collected prize fund, if desired, can be spent on drinks during the three days of the tournament. On the last day, based on the match results, we'll find out who paid for the drinks. :)
злой_романтик
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In terms of money, 800 rubles for accommodation is very cheap, so everything is fine. I couldn't find any information about the prize pool. I think the entry fee for the tournament should be at least $50.
Well, it's predictable... Prize pool, entry fee... IMHO, it won't be a relaxing experience, although it depends on the person. The idea of team vs. team is interesting, though.
KobRa_RR
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So, relaxation means spending 3 days in a stuffy club, and without any motivation? Well, tastes differ :D
злой_романтик
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Is winning 200-300 dollars really that important to you? Will it make you happier or richer? I'm going just to relax and hang out with good company, if I go at all.
DoberMan_H3_TE
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Is it fundamentally important for you to win 200-300 dollars? Will it make you happier or richer? If it happens, I'm just going to go and relax and hang out with good company.
Believe me, no one's goal is to win money, especially 300 dollars, as you wrote. :) It's just that, as numerous examples show, entry fees are necessary for playing at a high or near-high level and for the discipline of the tournament participants. Playing without an incentive or any interest leads to a lack of focus. And I'd like to play against strong opponents and show a decent level myself.
On the other hand, if most people are in favor of entry fees, those who disagree can play among themselves, or watch, or play poker, or drink. There are many options.
I think we can come to an agreement in any case.
злой_романтик
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If the majority decides, then by all means, let's do it. I agree, whether it's just to watch, or for all the subsequent options (playing against each other, playing poker, or just drinking):D My response was to Cobra's post about the point of traveling and playing for 3 days in a stuffy room without any incentive.
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Damn... I really wanted to play...
Okay, I'll come anyway.
2 Vik. That's what I wanted to hear. :smile08:
I've never been to the Michurinsk Tournaments. I want to see them.
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2 Oxygen. Long time no see, since Krasnodar, we're waiting.I'll come 90%.
Now, about the organization. I understand that with only 3 days, you can't hold a proper tournament, but still, 4 rounds is a lot (we definitely won't play that many). Plus, with the number of players from 17 and up, a Swiss system won't determine a winner in 4 rounds. I don't know what to suggest instead, so, gritting my teeth, we accept it.
As for the money, 800 rubles for a hotel is a pittance, so that's fine. I couldn't find any information about the prize fund. I think we should make the tournament entry fee at least $50.
2 Doberman. Read the thread about the Michurinsk qualifier. Then, in three days, people played 5 rounds, and two nights were spent playing poker and having fun. Some neighbors still don't talk to me... :smile30:
When organizing a new tournament, I will base it on the total number of participants and the time of their arrival.
For example, some may be able to arrive on Thursday instead of Friday and start earlier, as there will be enough Michurinsk players to compete against.
On Friday - by the time the main group of players arrives - the second round will start, not the first. Those who didn't play will receive a conditional half point. Then, over the three days, an opportunity will arise sooner or later (for example, two people with half points play quickly - and they play against each other).
And some won't even need to play the first round - they'll quickly get a few losses and go relax. Therefore, a comprehensive, flexible approach to the tournament. In general, this system is difficult to explain, but there have been no complaints, even though top players have played in my tournaments.
That is, in fact, 1 day - 1 round, more than similar conditions, especially since I follow the regulations.
by the way, an idea came up for discussion. Nagan, think about it, maybe you'll like it.
Vik's idea about a match between Michurinsk and "outsiders" is interesting. Here's the proposed format. For example, 8 vs. 8 (the number will be determined on the spot based on the number of people who arrive). It's realistic to play 3 rounds (1 per day, so as not to interfere with the "cultural" program).
Wow, where have you been for the last three years? Back then, Michurinsk played against St. Petersburg and Moscow, and even with their main lineups, they lost, but they still took some scalps.
Now, we'll have young guys, not bad, but inexperienced, and old-timers who just moved to Moscow to make money - they don't care about Heroes anymore: even if they play, they don't remember much. We won't be able to put together a competitive team, especially 8 people. :smile15: And before, we could have fielded even more.
Money contributions from the whole team (negotiable). The collected prize fund, if desired, can be spent over the three days of the tournament. On the last day, based on the results of the match, we'll find out who's paying.
I don't see any problems here, $50 is not a lot of money. Those who can't contribute will still be able to play, but they won't be able to claim a share of this fund. We'll get about 20 people, a thousand bucks, that's good.
That is, rest is spending 3 days in a stuffy club, and without any incentive? Well, tastes differ.
2 Cobra. You've been reading and reading, your own company, cooperation with Assoneft, etc. Damn, Gazprom just won't sponsor my tournament... Just come to hang out, by the river.
Is it important for you to win 200-300 bucks? Will it make you happier or richer? If I come, it's just to relax and chat in good company.
+1.
I already wrote that the prize fund is negotiable. If most people say that we will play without it, then I will personally agree.
Believe me, no one's goal is to win money, especially $300, as you wrote. But, as numerous practices show, entry fees are necessary for playing at the highest level or close to it, and for the discipline of the tournament participants. Playing without an incentive or any interest leads to sloppiness. And I would like to play against strong opponents and show a decent level myself.
On the other hand, if most people are in favor of entry fees, those who disagree can play among themselves, or watch, or play poker, or get drunk. There are many options.
I think we can agree on anything.
+1000. IMO, in Heroes you should relax, and earn money in other places, proven.
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I'll post the list of players who are going to come to Michurinsk a little later.
I know for sure that Michurinsk + Tambov - 9 people, 1-2 from Oskol are coming, it seems that three from Siberia (that would be great). Plus St. Petersburg, Moscow... these are major centers, and there are also people who are going to come as individual players. The event could be quite large.
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When starting a new tournament, I will consider the total number of participants and their arrival time.
For example, some may be able to arrive not on Friday, but on Thursday and start earlier; luckily, they will have enough Michurinsk players as opponents.
On Friday, by the time the main group of players arrives, the second round will already be starting, not the first. Those who haven't played will receive a conditional half-point. Then, over the course of three days, a window will inevitably appear (for example, two people with such half-points play quickly and then play against each other).
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P.S. 2Kobra If they can't find anyone, we'll take Oxi and his wife, along with their car, hostage, and in the morning, we'll go to the market for meat and play Heroes outdoors.
oxygen_hl
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P.S. 2Kobra If they can't find us, we'll take Oxy and his wife hostage, along with their car. In the morning, we'll go to the market for meat and play Heroes of Might and Magic outdoors.
Я в мечеть не за праведным словом пришёл.
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
© О. Хайям
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
© О. Хайям
DoberMan_H3_TE
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I'm looking at rzd.ru to see if it's possible to get to Michurinsk (Tambov) by train. I can't figure anything out – there are no trains from Cheboksary or Kanash (which is our largest railway hub in Chuvashia) from June 23rd to 25th. Either they've dismantled all the tracks for scrap metal, or their website is glitching.
The possibility of starting on Thursday, the 24th, is good, as we have a public holiday in the republic on June 24th (Republic Day).
The possibility of starting on Thursday, the 24th, is good, as we have a public holiday in the republic on June 24th (Republic Day).
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I'll be there, but I probably won't be able to get away from work on Friday, so you'll likely have to wait until around 4 AM, just like you waited for Stinger last time – will you be ready to play on your laptops then?
2 PReDS We'll find someone. We found someone to keep Stinger company for a poker game at 4 AM...
I'm looking at rzd.ru to see if I can get to Michurinsk (Tambov) by train. I can't make heads or tails of it – there are no trains from Cheboksary or Kanash (which is our largest railway hub in Chuvashia) from June 23rd to 25th. Either they've dismantled the entire track for scrap metal, or their website is glitching.
The possibility of starting on Thursday, the 24th, is good, as we have a public holiday in our republic on June 24th (Republic Day).
2 Doberman. Our city is a major railway hub, so there should be a convenient option. Let's think about the best way to do it.
Who's going to take whom hostage? Remember the last day in Kyiv.
2 oxygen hl. O_o, that sounds just like the last day of Pompeii. What happened that almost destroyed a city of three million people? :)
SpiriTT
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Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it. I'll be busy with my studies and defending my bachelor's thesis during those days. So, please don't count on me, and I apologize.
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
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Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
Dust_HL
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Meanwhile, qualifying competitions have already begun - Michurinsk 2010 :) The Siberians were the first to hold the qualifier! ;-)
On Friday, May 21, a delegation from Novokuznetsk, led by BA/|EHOK, stopped by the city zoo on their way through. In the night from the 21st to the 22nd, the cannons of the first - and also the last - battles thundered in the capital of Siberia. Representatives of three resources at once found out who was worthy of representing the Siberian Federal District beyond the Urals.
Dirty_Player, Catch, Dust, BA/|EHOK with his girlfriend, and also Van, though remotely and long-distance :smile32: :D , found out who was worthy of going to conquer Europe in June!
The battles were hot, the alcohol strong, and the mood excellent... By morning, few remained alive. BA/|EHOK managed to overcome the already-sleeping rector of the School of 2nd Heroes, former Portal Master sir Catch, while the online master and not only from ХВ - Dirty_Player and Dust - decided by 3 AM not to further strain their young bodies, and agreed to a well-deserved and fierce draw! :smile03:
Thus, the authoritative judging panel declares that the qualifier has successfully taken place, and the following receive tickets to the final stage:
1) BA/|EHOK
2) Dirty_Player
3) Dust
4) Van, who did not play a single game in this qualifier, extremely motivated to attend, but unable to do so due to an objectively valid reason. :smile50:
And the fifth and sixth places were shared by the fair sex, the companions of our valiant warriors, who are also given the opportunity to see the city of heroes, Michurinsk... ;)
And here are photos confirming the seriousness of this event ;-)
There are even saves, at least for the Dust vs Dirty_Player games, so this isn't just any event!:D :smile50:
On Friday, May 21, a delegation from Novokuznetsk, led by BA/|EHOK, stopped by the city zoo on their way through. In the night from the 21st to the 22nd, the cannons of the first - and also the last - battles thundered in the capital of Siberia. Representatives of three resources at once found out who was worthy of representing the Siberian Federal District beyond the Urals.
Dirty_Player, Catch, Dust, BA/|EHOK with his girlfriend, and also Van, though remotely and long-distance :smile32: :D , found out who was worthy of going to conquer Europe in June!
The battles were hot, the alcohol strong, and the mood excellent... By morning, few remained alive. BA/|EHOK managed to overcome the already-sleeping rector of the School of 2nd Heroes, former Portal Master sir Catch, while the online master and not only from ХВ - Dirty_Player and Dust - decided by 3 AM not to further strain their young bodies, and agreed to a well-deserved and fierce draw! :smile03:
Thus, the authoritative judging panel declares that the qualifier has successfully taken place, and the following receive tickets to the final stage:
1) BA/|EHOK
2) Dirty_Player
3) Dust
4) Van, who did not play a single game in this qualifier, extremely motivated to attend, but unable to do so due to an objectively valid reason. :smile50:
And the fifth and sixth places were shared by the fair sex, the companions of our valiant warriors, who are also given the opportunity to see the city of heroes, Michurinsk... ;)
And here are photos confirming the seriousness of this event ;-)
There are even saves, at least for the Dust vs Dirty_Player games, so this isn't just any event!:D :smile50:
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с)
В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)