- Tactics skill in Heroes 3. — Tactics

Registered: 2/12/2010 11:08 AM UTC

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5/8/2010 7:47 AM UTC #137

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8 slots - 8 skills. In descending order of importance:
Earth Magic (mass slow, city portal, resurrection)
Wisdom (also essential)
Tactics (the sooner, the better)
Archery
Logistics
Attack
Leadership
Luck.

If there is a high probability of finding a dimension door, then you can allocate a slot for air magic.

Registered: 6/11/2008 6:17 AM UTC

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5/8/2010 9:15 AM UTC #138

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Yeah, air magic is usually more useful than luck. I doubt that ranged attacks are relevant for a Necromancer without a Cloak, or for the Swamp creatures either.

Registered: 8/19/2007 11:16 AM UTC

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5/8/2010 9:29 AM UTC #139

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uh-huh... ARMOR??, Nah, forget it!

ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.

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Registered: 2/12/2010 11:08 AM UTC

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5/8/2010 9:35 AM UTC #140

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Ergon

...I doubt that ranged attacks are relevant for a Necromancer without a Cloak, or for the Swamp creatures either.

You can't please everyone, of course.

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SpiriTT

Yeah... ARMOR??, Nah, forget it!

Can you suggest something better, dear SpiriTT?

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Registered: 11/15/2008 9:53 PM UTC

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5/8/2010 9:42 AM UTC #141

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DonKihano

Can you suggest something better, dear SpiriTT?

You've already suggested 8 skills according to your best idea; it's hard to argue with you :D

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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Registered: 1/7/2010 6:51 PM UTC

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5/8/2010 10:30 AM UTC #142

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Wlk777, well said!

Ergon

There's probably a cool bug related to tactics - if you have tactics enabled, and your troops are arranged differently before the battle in quick battle mode, you'll get different results!

"I'm speechless with your words!..." :D And this, dear sir, is not a bug, but rather the very influence of tactics on the outcome of the battle - even the computer with its limited AI understands this! :) I wish you would understand it soon too!

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)

Registered: 8/23/2009 4:05 PM UTC

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5/8/2010 6:19 PM UTC #143

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Tactics is a useful skill. It makes sense to take it if you've already acquired a certain number of important skills (i.e., logistics/offense/defense/earth or air – although, in my opinion, with tactics, you can take fire or water instead of air, as curse/blind/berserk or bless/prayer/teleport can be decisive, especially if there aren't many mermaids and dimdors expected). Also, if you have to choose between tactics and wisdom at level 6, tactics will be much more useful than wisdom, because it's rare to be able to build a tower before 3-4 weeks, and finding great pandoras (on levels 4 and 5) is also too random, and by that time, you'll already have reached level 12.

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Любые сообщения, написанные с этого аккаунта являются художественным вымыслом и не соответствуют реальности. Относиться к ним стоит как к литературному произведению.

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Registered: 10/13/2008 12:10 AM UTC

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5/8/2010 6:44 PM UTC #144

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Wisdom compared to Tactics, IMHO, is a completely useless skill on most maps where there are Dragon Utopia and fat treasure zones — it's hard to be left without at least 1-2 magic books if the game lasts until week 3-4. Of course, it sometimes helps a lot, but Tactics helps not just sometimes, but almost always;).

Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:

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Registered: 11/15/2008 9:53 PM UTC

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5/8/2010 7:19 PM UTC #145

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KostyaN

Wisdom compared to Tactics, IMHO, is a completely useless skill on most maps where there are Dragon Utopia and fat treasure zone - it's hard to be without at least 1-2 magic books if the game reaches 3-4 weeks. Of course, it sometimes helps a lot, but Tactics helps not sometimes, but almost always;).

That might be so, I used to think that way myself, but after I took all of level 4 in Pandor on 122 with smk, I try to take wisdom whenever possible

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

Registered: 1/7/2010 6:51 PM UTC

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5/9/2010 7:00 AM UTC #146

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Have mercy! If you consider wisdom useless too... In reality, it depends on the map – if it's an S or M map, the game might end in the first few weeks, and it might not even get to magic level 3, and in that case, magic isn't that important, especially for warrior heroes.

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)

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Registered: 6/12/2007 8:51 AM UTC

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5/10/2010 11:38 AM UTC #147

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Wlk777

Due to poor connection and constant complaints from my opponent about the length of my turn (those who have played with me know how I play, and this time I tried to be faster), I decided not to continue the game with Nepredskazuemiy, which was postponed at his initiative. I had already opened the save file, as before that, my opponent had already upgraded his vampires, so my conscience is clear. This was the second game; I easily won the first. Those who wish can assess the skill level of Nepredskazuemiy by looking at the save file (I also played it casually).

It's surprising to hear that Valentin (Wlk777) takes a long time to make his moves. On the contrary, Valentin plays very quickly (compared to other strong Heroes players), which does not negatively affect his high level of play.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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Registered: 9/26/2008 2:20 PM UTC

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5/10/2010 7:09 PM UTC #148

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Here's my opinion:

Tactics is an amazing skill for an offensive player. Whether you use it or not with a Barbarian, there's a big difference, especially when playing against neutral creatures with high morale. And it's not just about ranged units, but also about melee units (like Vampires).

With a Defender or Ranger, you can generally maneuver effectively even without Tactics.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

Registered: 6/11/2008 6:17 AM UTC

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5/11/2010 5:31 AM UTC #149

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And what, dear lady, are you upset about? The player (let's say us) has the "Tactics" skill and 7 armies. It's tedious to play a battle against a group of 7 enemy armies. Let's play in quick battle mode. Why should the results be different with different initial army arrangements, since the computer should always choose the same optimal arrangement of the 7 troops (the computer arranges the troops tactically for us)? In reality, the outcome can range from a solid victory to a complete defeat.

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Registered: 1/7/2010 6:51 PM UTC

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5/12/2010 9:35 AM UTC #150

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Ergon

We are playing in quick battle mode. Why should the results be different with a different initial order of armies?

Yes, this is a difficult case... :smile35: But I will still try to answer.
And you try to fight in normal mode (in my opinion, quick battles are for lazy people; as they say: if you don't like it, don't eat it), then you will see everything with your own eyes! For example, I am not surprised that one random incorrect move (mouse click) can fatally affect the outcome of the battle. And tactics give much more!
I am fulfilling my promise: I uploaded a save file (see my post on page 11: /topic/at/341920/. Practice! To all – heroic victories and achievements!

P.S. "I was killed outright..." is a line from a humorous song performed by Irina Allegrova called "Sudary" (http://lyrika.nm.ru/Allegrova/Sudarj.htm). My gender remains male. :)

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)

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Registered: 10/16/2007 6:22 AM UTC

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5/12/2010 8:31 PM UTC #151

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Marmot

AmberSoler, Qwerty, Invisible, Fireball +1!
I read the thread and was amazed by some rather outdated views! I thought that only "green" newcomers needed to be convinced of the value of tactics!..

Exactly!
Do you still not appreciate tactics? Then we're coming for you! :) With tactics! We will fight with you "with earth and water" and win! :)
To particularly stubborn tacticophobes :) I offer my save from the final battle for Mirktown (the "Defiance Against Death" campaign, /topic/at/332903/ scenario 5). Given: I have a cool mage Erish with dragons of all kinds and titans. The enemy is the Emperor: a mixed Necropolis-Inferno guard. Required: defeat him! I enter the castle in anticipation of an early victory. But the Emperor has expert tactics plus a constant fire shield! At the beginning of the battle: the enemy builds his troops outside the castle, and then... DARKNESS!!!... :( I replayed it many times, but won only once, and even then - barely...

And what's the problem? :confused: It's an elementary battle. I thought it was really difficult. The first round begins, azure wights appear, the computer casts mass acceleration, you cast mass deceleration in response, then he casts haste, you attack liches (titans + enchanted creatures). With the wights, he killed the liches with dragons. He attacked vampires and extinguished them, and along the way, he hit some units with a dragon. In the next round, everyone retreats. Then this clown comes out of the castle and starts casting antimagic, where he gets beaten, and the losses are very small. Only level 1 spells were used: slowing, shield, skin. Oh, and as a bonus, I removed the enchantments from three of his stacks. And that's all :).

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того