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I also want to note that there are heroes against whom there is simply no counter (if, of course, you play well, and luck is on your side). And regarding Visa's statement that the heroes in Necropolis are stronger, I draw some rather unpleasant conclusions.
If someone has Ossir on their card, then that card gets a higher status than a card that doesn't have overpowered units like Ossir. This is just an example. It wouldn't be possible to create a card with "Ossir, Jhalib, and Karli" on it.
I don't understand the complaints like "What if I choose first?". It's ridiculous.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
I certainly understand the indignation, but Padme, you are wrong. Everything plays smoothly; if there were a better choice, I would have made it better. Writing separate rules for everyone is also highly questionable. You get to pick first in a greater number of games because your cards collectively have clearly better heroes, against which it is much harder to pick counter-heroes, and so on and so forth.
WisTrit, thank you for the explanation. I may be wrong, of course; I just wanted to know why the rules were changed and why I was "honored" with picking first more often. I didn't know you were taking the cards into account. Your post here explains everything.WisTrit
I don't understand the complaints like "why am I picking first?!" Idiocy.
From my past experience playing duels (back in 2008, when the HeroesWorld rating still existed), I know that the one who picks first usually loses. It's very rare that a counter-hero cannot be chosen. If both my opponent and I were picking first an equal number of times, there would be no dissatisfaction. valery
I perfectly understand Padme (because everyone wants to win), however, I'd like to point out that in that same league, the rules stipulated an odd number of games, and the one picking second did not always win.
Thank you for understanding! In the league, I think there were rules (back in 2008 when I participated) that the last (5th) game was created by the winner of the 4th, played on Obsidian Fields, meaning both players had a chance to create the final game. Oh well, rules are rules (even if changed), I'll have to play as they are. WisTrit
If someone has Ossir on their card, that card gets a higher status than a card that does not have an imba like Ossir. That's an example. A card with "Ossir, Jalib, Karli" could not have happened.
But in general, is it possible that Valery and I will end up with the same heroes? Or do heroes not repeat across player cards? Yes, whoever has Ossir has a greater chance.
VisTrit, thank you for the explanation. I may be wrong, of course, I just wanted to know why the rules were changed and why I had the "honor" of being the first to pick the greater number of times. I didn't know you were taking the cards into account. This post of yours explains everything.
I wrote somewhere earlier that each card has its own priority set.
Based on my past experience with duels (back in distant 2008, when the HeroesWorld rating still existed), I know that the one who picks first usually always loses. Very rarely is it impossible to pick a counter-hero. If both my opponent and I had picked first an equal number of times, there would be no dissatisfaction.
But there were no cards back then. What if it's 2-2 or 3-3? What then? The point of the 6th game would still be lost. But overall, I agree, I never understood the point of "cherk 10-12, pick in turn" duels.
And in general, could it turn out that Valery and I get the same heroes? Or do heroes not repeat in the players' cards? Yes, whoever has Ossir has a better chance.
Heroes obviously don't repeat; besides Ossir, there are plenty of other heroes.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
I agree with Padme regarding the significant change in the tournament rules at the final stage... Changing the rules during a tournament is probably not entirely correct or appropriate. The only reason one could stretch to justify such changes in the tournament rules is its status – "unofficial" and "trial." I fully understand the judge's opinion and the irreconcilability of the opposing viewpoints in the final... Nevertheless, the final stage of the tournament should have been planned in advance to avoid misunderstandings. :smile33:
You’re really getting on my nerves! You’ve created such a mess here, as if your lives are being unfairly deprived… I don’t understand how anyone can attach so much importance to winning some insignificant tournament? Vis decided to experiment, and now he’s being pressured and pressured, pressured and pressured… I understand there are arguments against him, but couldn’t they just forgive him? Sigh…
aka Sir Holmes aka David Jones.
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Yeah, after that, no one will want to organize new tournaments.
Okay, Arko, I probably won't hold any more of these; it just turns into a mess anyway.
I agree with Padme regarding the significant change in the tournament rules at the final stage... Changing the rules during a tournament is probably not entirely correct. The only reason one could stretch to justify such changes in the tournament rules is its status – "unofficial" and "experimental." I fully understand the judge's opinion and the irreconcilability of the finalists' viewpoints... Nevertheless, the final stage of the tournament should have been planned in advance to avoid misunderstandings.
I agree; however, I thought through the moves. The tournament is "unofficial" and "experimental." Read the entire thread; you might find answers to some of your questions.
I understand there are arguments against him, but can't he be forgiven?
There are arguments against him – it's right to express them. The question is, why deliberately divide into different groups and torment me? After all, you could suggest something that suits everyone, not just a specific individual.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
I perfectly understand you, WisTrit: it's indeed difficult to listen to all sorts of deserved and undeserved criticisms from tournament participants... But still, if there are certain opinions from people, and perhaps it's better that these opinions are expressed: to some extent, this circumstance helps to identify and formulate thoughts and wishes about the rules and essence of the tournament... So, there's no need to be offended: it's at least amusing... And there's no malicious intent in "assaulting" your brain!:smile42:
...And yet, my cards turned out to be weaker than Valerie's. On Letos, I didn't have any counter-heroes, or even heroes of equal strength (Deydra, Anwen, etc.), and as a result, I lost. I (Axel) lost to Valerie (Ravenna) Valerie (Letos) defeated my Nimues I (Sinithar) lost to Valerie (Ibba) So, as it turned out, I didn't have any advantage in the cards either... :smile35: :smile39: I didn't have any advantage at all. I simply lost, as should be expected with such rules. I hope that next time, the rules will be more balanced for both participants.
1/2 finals valery-Padme 1. Padme (Axel) lost to valery (Ravenna). 2. valery (Lethos) defeated Padme (Nimus). 3. Padme (Sinithar) lost to valery (Ibba). Total score: 3-0 in my favor.
The first game was a clear victory. Ravenna is much stronger. In the second game, I decided to use vampirism on the home heroes. It was the most interesting and hard-fought game. In the third game, my opponent was unlucky with the initial hero distribution, although later the hero had some good luck. Actually, Padme had a chance. In the 2nd and 3rd games, they could have won if they had been luckier. And I don't see any point in using Axel because he gets defeated by almost everyone. By the way, Padme had one of the strongest heroes left unused - Vittorio.
Thank you for the games.
A request to all participants in the 1/4 and 1/2 finals. Please post detailed reports about the battles, as all the card games have already been completed!
By the way, Padme had one of the strongest hero-vittorios left unused.
So, you knew the list of my heroes? Interesting, who was the informant... It seems a bit unfair that someone revealed my heroes. I didn't know any of my opponent's heroes. By the way, Vittorio is also defeated by Ravenna, so I would have taken Axel or Vittorio; it wouldn't have made a difference to me. There was simply no chance based on the cards. I don't know why the organizer decided that my heroes were better. If I had taken in the 1st game: Oru - there is Ibba against her, Vittorio - Ravenna is against him Garuna - anyone can be against her (Lethos, Ravenna, Ibba) Sinithar - again, Ibba Nimus - the same Lethos. I don't know the other heroes of the opponent, but for every hero he had, he had a counter-hero. I, on the other hand, didn't have anyone against Lethos. I don't understand why it was decided that I should choose first, when my cards are obviously weaker. In general, all the imbalance was against me... Hmm, did I offend someone from the organizers...?
Before the start, each participant lists 11 heroes that their opponent cannot use. They play until one player reaches 5 wins. Heroes are chosen from those not banned by the opponent. One player creates four games, and the other player creates four games; in the ninth game, they play on obsidian fields. The first to create is the player listed first in the pairing. The first player chooses the land, then the second player chooses a hero, then the first player chooses a hero, and the game begins. In the next game, the heroes who played in the previous games do not participate.
valery - fil0sof
So you knew the list of my heroes? Interesting, who was the informant...
In general, all the imbalance is against me... Hmm, could it be that I offended someone among the organizers....
No.
I don't understand why it was decided that I should choose first, as my cards are inherently weaker.
Garuna, Sinithar, Nimus, Axel, Ora, Vittorio. Only Sinithar, Nimus, and Vittorio matter. Ora and Axel aren't even worth mentioning, and Garuna isn't worthy of mention at all. Ibba, Ravenna, Carly, Shaq'Karukat, Letos, Daydra. Shaq, Daydra, and Ravenna are simply unbeatable heroes; Ibba is also overpowered. Letos is strong but can be defeated; Carly is strong, a little harder to defeat, but still possible.
I don't know, maybe everything wasn't as it should have been. There are two options: work on balancing and improve the system, or... or not.
Garuna, Sinithar, Nimue, Axel, Orra, Vittorio. In total, Sinithar, Nimue, and Vittorio. Orra and Axel don't even count, and Garuna isn't even worth mentioning. Ibba, Ravenna, Carli, Shaq'Karuk, Leto, Daedra. Shaq, Daedra, and Ravenna are simply unbeatable heroes; Ibba is also overpowered. Leto is strong, but he can be defeated; Carli is strong, but slightly harder to defeat.
My opponent clearly has an advantage in terms of hero cards compared to mine. Out of the heroes on my card, Leto couldn't be defeated by anyone. Sinithar, Nimue, and Vittorio – my opponent had counter-heroes for them. I wonder, according to the organizer, what I was supposed to use to defeat Leto?WisTrit
Leto is strong, but he can be defeated; Carli is strong, but slightly harder to defeat.
I agree that Leto can be defeated, but not with what I had. I still think that we should have looked not at the strength of the heroes on the cards in the general list of heroes, but at the strength of the opponent's cards against mine (the heroes on my card are weaker). But it's too late to discuss all this now; the deed is done. I lost, and I never doubted that I would with these rules. It's a pity; it would have been better to simply make a clear rule. By the way, Warmonger had the best card: Marbas, Jaleb, and Anwen
-the cards are equivalent as individual units; -it's just that some players got lucky, and others didn't (having heroes and counter-heroes); -we all know that the heroes game is unbalanced; -this was a trial tournament (thank you to the organizers – it's always a difficult task), I think the following ones will be better.
P.S. I would like to see replays of interesting battles.
From what I have on my card, Lethos cannot be killed by anyone.
Vittorio is at least not weaker than Lethos.
Padme
By the way, the coolest card was from the Warlord: Marbas, Jaleb, and Anven.
In my opinion, the Philosopher also has a good one, and I wasn't left out either:D. In general, it is almost impossible to achieve perfect balance on the cards, especially in 1/2, however, as a section of heroes, I liked it a lot. I would immediately like to know what criteria were used to create the cards? Just based on the strength of the heroes, or were possible counter-cards taken into account?
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