Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. — Tournament Committee

Дубровин Павел

4/13/2010 3:47 PM UTC

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Catch

Again. The tournament leader is a member of the Arbitration Committee (AK). In principle, the decision was within his power, but he was afraid to make a decision on his own and turned to his colleagues for help, which indicates 1) his uncertainty about the correctness of his decision, and 2) his lack of confidence in himself (a lack of real authority, or, if you like, he understands that he has less authority than the "defendant"). Conclusion? It suggests itself.

This is your opinion, and I respect it, as well as the possible existence of similar opinions from other Heroes players.

Why didn't he make the decision to disqualify Alex from the tournament on his own?
There are Rules of Procedure for the AK, which are outlined in the first post of the AK topic. Take a look at them. I believe that I acted in accordance with the AK rules when I did not make such a decision.
There is the AK, a collegial body, and I believe that the AK, rather than me personally, is capable of making a more qualified decision.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

SergeyY

4/14/2010 12:00 PM UTC

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I myself would like to be on the Arbitration Committee (AK). It’s a shame that you can’t vote for yourself. I reviewed the three most recent cases, and it was clear to me who was right and who was wrong, etc. I can quite accurately identify cheaters (maphackers) in several games. I am always for truth and justice. I wrote this to those who believe that –

the AK (in its current composition) has outlived its usefulness

Also, I read what people are writing, and I see that they are very reasonable and fair (it would be good if they were on the AK) – among the new ones –

Wicc
Wlk777
Lider1

among the former ones –

DirtyPlayer
Pit for LM
vbn
Dubrovin Pavel

I would vote for all of them.

RAPER

4/14/2010 12:28 PM UTC

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Also... (it would be good if they were in the Academy) - from the new ones - Wlk777

lol))) no comments...
sorry for being off-topic)))

играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)

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OUTLAW

4/14/2010 3:15 PM UTC

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SergeyY

I also want to be on the Arbitration Committee (AK). It's a shame you can't vote for yourself. I reviewed the three most recent cases, and it was clear to me who was right and who was wrong, etc. I can fairly accurately identify cheaters (maphackers) in several games. I'm always for truth and justice. I wrote this to those who think that --

Also, I read what people are writing, and I see that they are very reasonable and fair (it would be good if they were on the AK) - among the new ones -

Wicc
Wlk777

:smile33: :smile33: :smile33:

Qwerty

4/22/2010 7:37 AM UTC

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Good day.
Since the Team Tournament thread is closed, I'm writing here.

This concerns matches in the team tournament played by the player Looser. There's talk that they might be annulled, and even that scores might be set to zero. This isn't entirely clear. Each match whose results might be annulled should be reviewed by the Arbitration Committee (AK), and if a decision to annul it is made, then and only then should it be annulled. But you can't annul the entire history of games because of just one.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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Kash

4/22/2010 8:03 AM UTC

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Qwerty

Good afternoon.
Since the "Team Tournament" thread is closed, I'm writing here.

This concerns matches in the team tournament played by the player Looser. There's talk that they might be annulled, and even that scores could be set to zero. This isn't quite clear. Each match whose results might be annulled should be reviewed by the Arbitration Committee (AC), and if a decision is made to annul it, then it should be annulled. But you can't annul the entire history of games because of just one.

If Looser is cheating in a fan game against a newcomer who is bound to be weaker, then in a team tournament, when playing against strong opponents, he's 100500% cheating! There's no need to go to the AC.
He has a responsibility to his team: D
There's nothing to look at; annul everything. Or rather, set it as a loss. And the team should be punished for its player, and his opponents should be compensated for their moral damages. And they are not obliged to replay.

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Qwerty

4/22/2010 8:09 AM UTC

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Kash

There's nothing to see there, just cancel everything. Or, more precisely, declare a loss.

I believe the decision will be the same for ALL players whose games, when streamed through Mikogo, showed questionable events.
And I believe the decision will ultimately be made by the AC (Arbitration Committee).

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

Catch

4/22/2010 8:39 AM UTC

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I believe that when a player is disqualified, all their results in that tournament should be annulled. Here, Alex wasn't disqualified, but the results of all his games were annulled.

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

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Ta Kotoraya...

4/22/2010 2:36 PM UTC

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Kash

They are not obligated to replay.

That's exactly what I clarified. I'm not forcing players to replay matches with whoever replaces Loser. I'm just SUGGESTING that the teams discuss this issue among themselves. Otherwise, by default, I will assign losses to the "Fried Food Eaters" team for all matches involving Loser.

Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

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SEM_56

4/22/2010 2:43 PM UTC

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The One Who...

I was just clarifying. I'm not forcing players to replay matches with whoever will replace Loser. I'm just SUGGESTING that the teams discuss this issue among themselves. Otherwise, by default, I will assign losses to the "Fried Food Eaters" team for all matches involving Loser.

By nullifying the victories of one player on the team, the team itself loses the opportunity to take a prize-winning place!!
Wouldn't it be easier to exclude the team from the tournament or give the other players the opportunity to finish the tournament with dignity???:smile19:

Ушел с героев, пока пряники)

злой_романтик

4/22/2010 2:54 PM UTC

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I agree with Sem_56. Either give us the option to replay these matches, or disqualify us from the tournament. At the very least, I don't see the point in continuing this competition when there's no chance of competing for the prize places... or at least leave the decision to the players who played against Loser.

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Ta Kotoraya...

4/22/2010 2:58 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

or at least leave the decision to the players with whom Loser played.

That's exactly what I did. I suggested that very option. But I clarified that I can't force anyone, I don't have the right, and I won't. It's the right of the players themselves...

Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

злой_романтик

4/22/2010 3:06 PM UTC

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I agree, let everyone decide for themselves.

Vigo

4/29/2010 6:37 PM UTC

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So, what's the decision?
Am I supposed to play, or will my friendship with Luzer prevent anyone from playing, and will I be removed from the Tournament?
And will the team play without us?
Or will the entire team be removed?

Can someone please give a clear and reasonable answer?

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...