Discussion about Looser. — Tournament Committee

Furious

16 years ago

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I'll chime in since he was playing with me.
I'm sitting here playing, trying to get better, and I get a message from Asma on ICQ saying something like this and that.
I replied without much enthusiasm, even sent him a save file, and then watched the video.
What can I say, if you're going to do editing, you need to do it properly. And if you add that I don't see the point in doing it yet, then it's not really editing.
By the way, it was in this game that I had the idea that you could just sit down with a laptop and the game becomes more fun (maybe this came to mind because the loser was taking a long time on day 1, as it turned out, on the day that's in the video...
I'm new to the Heroes world, so I don't want to ruin anyone's reputation, so you can watch it and decide for yourself.

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P.S. Let's not turn this into an argument or a flood of irrelevant comments.

Vigo

16 years ago

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Ha! Well, finally, it reached me! :) I've been waiting for something like this since morning. :) Everything is correct, the email address inmag@list.ru is my official email for my online store, and everyone is welcome! My phone is on 24/7. Vitaly has been working with me for many years and has access to everything. I taught him how to play Heroes; dozens of people know this! He played on my work computer, and I was shocked when I saw all this (but we'll sort that out between us). He's just a bit slow, which is why he's almost always in the office, but he's a good guy. What's the problem? I understand he's being accused of cheating, but what does all the rest have to do with it? And why did they bring Alex into this? :smile32: 2 Spirit - Tem, nothing supernatural needs to be done; we just need to sort things out.

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wowa

16 years ago

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Piterius

I don't see any reason to note the difference or establish any connections between these two cases, except for your personal, subjective initiatives, expressed in a rather inappropriate tone.

Let's argue, at least on this point, because it's pointless to argue on others.
Quote it – WHERE is my inappropriateness? I'm warning you in advance – please don't consider irony as such. :)

And the connection is direct: look, in Asm's video, you can at least see the practical benefit of maphacking. Post yours, and we'll compare... And regarding "IMHO" – don't present your own opinions as truths either: I stated that I can analyze save files to see if unfair information was used online, or not, but I really don't care about the technology of maphacking itself;)

I understand. It's still unknown what the reaction would have been if I had acted similarly to Asm. If you prioritize this statement, then the situations regarding "the reaction" cannot be compared at all due to their absolute lack of identity. Do you understand?

There are no priorities; I started my (unfortunately useless for some) work with the statement "the devil is in the details."
You don't want to notice these details! Maybe you also disagree with this statement? Then we'll end the conversation – after evidence of my inappropriateness, of course (besides irony, the very fact of attacking AK should not be considered as such either)))))

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КостяN

16 years ago

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Looser

Pure provocation! :) This is a real montage by a true master!

Montage is out of the question, as the maps are identical (unless you sent him your save file).

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Neoandy

16 years ago

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Damn! Wowa and Piterius!!!
Please don't spam in this thread!!!
Your posts are really making it difficult to follow the discussion about Looser and Vigo.
If you respect other Heroes players, please discuss Alex in other threads.
Thank you.

I'll watch the video now :)

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asm

16 years ago

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Vigo

Ha! Well, finally, they got to me! :) I've been waiting for something like this since morning :)

Everything is correct, the email inmag@list.ru is my official email for my online store, welcome to all who are interested! My phone is on 24/7. Vitaly works with me, and has been for many years; he has access to everything. I taught him how to play Heroes; dozens of people know this! He played on my work computer, and when I saw all this, I was shocked (but we'll figure out why this happened). He's just a bit slow, that's why he's almost always in the office, but he's a good guy. What's the problem? As I understand it, he's being accused of cheating, but what does all the rest have to do with it? And why did they drag Alexa into this :smile32:

2 Spirit - Dark, nothing supernatural needs to be done; we just need to sort things out.

Hmm... it's quite possible that this isn't Vigo, because during the stream between Loser and Evil Romantic, the following conversation took place (which wasn't included in the video because it was before the read):
Romantic > Where is Vigo? I need to play with him.
Loser > He's not here right now; he has a lot of work, and I'm here all day...
Apparently, "here" means in the office...
He could clarify the situation with the logs of either Romantic or Loser...

And we're not accusing him of cheating; everything has already been proven )))))))

And a couple of provocative questions for Vigo:
- Why are there 2 versions of Heroes installed on your office computer?
- Judging by everything, Loser doesn't know much about Heroes, so why did you teach him to do such tricks with two copies of Heroes?

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wowa

16 years ago

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Neoandy

Dude! Wowa and Piterius!!!
Please don't spam in this thread!!!
Your posts are really making it hard to follow the discussion about Looser and Vigo.
If you respect other Heroes players, please discuss Alex in other threads.
Thanks.

I'll watch the video now :)

ok :)
I'm getting a sense of déjà vu :o
but the forum is waiting!.... ;)
the moderators won't be bored :D

LeBron

16 years ago

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a funny movie :)
it's like a tutorial for beginners on how to cheat...

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Wicc

16 years ago

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- Judging by all accounts, Loser doesn't know much about heroes, and why did you teach him to do such tricks with two copies of Heroes?

Well, what's the deal? Everyone else can, but he can't?

- Why do you have two versions of Heroes installed on your office computer?

A consequence of the above.

Catch

16 years ago

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It was also amusing that before resuming the conversation with Asmo, the loser closed the second instance of the game and deleted all the saves from its folder. And there were not only saves from the current game, but also saves from three days ago.

Vigo

16 years ago

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So, gentlemen! I strongly urge you to calmly and without any fuss or dirt, to really get to the bottom of this situation! This is truly very important! Vitalya just got punched in the eye and was sent home, although he swears he didn't do anything against the rules. I watched the video, my computer, my desktop, everything is in place. The only thing I don't understand yet is handing over my work computer to someone else (as evidenced by an ICQ message from Asm under the open second heroes, and this situation is very unclear):
asm (22:33:26 19/04/2010)
are you playing with Looser?
asm (22:33:41 19/04/2010)
I just saw through Mikigo how he peeked
asm (22:33:51 19/04/2010)
unfortunately I didn't record it ((((((
asm (22:34:54 19/04/2010)
when you passed him the turn, he entered a battle, launched a second copy of Heroes and loaded your save
asm (22:35:47 19/04/2010)
checked his Dragon Utopia (located to the right of his Castle) and there they gave a Sword of +5 All Stats, a Telescope, and something else....

A few hours later, a great recording appeared...

Next, I checked the save, there is a Dragon Utopia to the right of Looser's Castle, but it contains something completely different... I didn't bother, I opened all the Dragon Utopias on the map, there is a Dragon Utopia with the described artifacts, it's across a ГО, one respawn away, on the opponent's secondary respawn. There's a Sword +5, Hands of the Legion, Armor +2 to Magic, a Telescope.
Considering and knowing how Vitalya plays, seeing the start as Elves, I am simply amazed even by the thought of cheating! (Subjective opinion, for now I am not undertaking to assert or refute anything unfoundedly)

In short, we really need to figure this out! I have heard from decent people that Asm is a good and righteous person and a Heroes player, I know Vitalya very closely both as a person and as a trained Heroes player, but for now I don't understand which of you needed all this and what is going on! :(

We'll think about it. Still, it looks a lot like a provocation :(

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asm

16 years ago

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Vigo

So gentlemen! I strongly urge you to seriously and without any fuss or mudslinging to sort out the situation! This is really very important! Vitalya just got punched in the eye and was sent home, although he swears he didn't do anything against the rules. I watched the video, my PC, my desktop, everything is in place, the only thing I don't understand yet is giving my work PC to someone else's hands (as evidenced by the ICQ message from Asm with a second instance of Heroes open, and this situation is very unclear:
asm (22:33:26 19/04/2010)
are you playing Looser?
asm (22:33:41 19/04/2010)
I just saw through mICQ how he map-hacked
asm (22:33:51 19/04/2010)
unfortunately didn't make a recording ((((((
asm (22:34:54 19/04/2010)
when you passed the turn to him, he entered a battle, launched a second copy of Heroes and loaded your save
asm (22:35:47 19/04/2010)
checked his Dragon Utopia (found to the right of his Castle) and there it gave a sword of all +5, a telescope and something else....

A few hours later a great recording appeared...

Next, I looked at the save, the Dragon Utopia to the right of Looser's Castle exists, but it contains something completely different... I didn't bother, I opened all Dragon Utopias on the map, the Dragon Utopia with the described artifacts exists, it's through a ГО, one respawn away, on the opponent's secondary respawn. There's a sword +5, arms of legion, armor +2 to magic, a telescope.
Considering how I know Vitalya plays, seeing the Elves start, I am simply shocked even by the thought of cheating! (Subjective opinion, for now I'm not claiming or denying anything without evidence)

In short, we really need to figure this out! I've heard from decent people that Asm is a good and right person and a Heroes player, I know Vitalya very closely both as a person and as a seasoned Heroes player, well, I don't understand yet which of you needed all this and what's going on! :(

We'll think it over. It really looks like a provocation :(

LOL )))))))) They're still trying to stitch something together with white threads ))))))))
hehehe

Here's how it was, as soon as I saw that Looser started cheating, I turned on the recording.
After he finished the stream, I started looking for the recording, but it wasn't in the mICQ\Records folder where it should be. I figured if the host drops the connection and I don't press Stop Record, then everything is lost.... I was very upset
and thought that everything was lost, and I missed a cheater, started talking about it to Fueir and in the VT chat, in the VT chat they started laughing at me, because first I mentioned the recording, and then I started reconstructing from memory how and what Looser was cheating with and mentioned the Dragon Utopia that it's to the right of his Castle and there's a sword of all +5 and a telescope, but I mixed it up and said it was Looser's Dragon Utopia on his respawn (instead of Fueir's)... they started teasing me even more... I thought, well, I made a fool of myself and got laughed at and missed the cheater.....
and I decided to run a search for all files from the last 5 hours on the PC

and lo and behold!!!!!!!!! the file was found in the temporary directory!!!!!!!!!

HOORAY! COMRADES!!! TRUTH HAS TRIUMPHED )))))))

(PS Anyone who wants can buy the chat logs ))))))))))) )

Vigo

16 years ago

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Hmm... This is all very strange...

SEM_56

16 years ago

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I suggest moving this discussion to a private forum and letting the Arbitration Committee make a decision!!!
And close the topic to avoid further consequences!!!!

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Tolikandro

16 years ago

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SEM_56

I suggest we move the discussion to a private forum and let the Arbitration Committee make a decision!
And close the topic to avoid further consequences!!!!

SEM_56 but as I understand it, weren't you unhappy with the Arbitration Committee's decision regarding Alex? After a long discussion, more and more people agreed that the decision should have been put to a vote. Why are you trying to repeat the same mistake? There might be people who are unhappy with the Arbitration Committee's decision again! Maybe it would be better to conduct a poll to determine what measures to take and whether there was map hacking. Although, personally, I am 100% sure that there was.

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