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Yesterday, something happened that still amuses me.
Let me briefly recount it: Looser wrote to me on ICQ and asked for help with a bug in Warlords. I advised him to reinstall Warlords, but it didn't help, the bug persisted. Then I asked him to launch a MyKogo session so I could observe the bug myself. From our conversation, it became clear that he wasn't very knowledgeable about computers and software, but he managed to register a MyKogo account and launch a session. It also turned out that he was currently in a game on SOD (with Furious). So, I connected to him and started watching the bug. But then it was his turn, and I said I would wait until he finished his turn and we would continue (we weren't exchanging messages very actively, and this seemed to resolve the issue). Then his opponent started making a move, and I thought, "Let's see," after all, Heroes is an interesting game... Looser starts making moves... makes some actions... starts a battle (so the timer doesn't tick). And then something strange starts to happen... he opens a second copy of Heroes SOD (and he was apparently playing Platinum), copies the save file from the game he's currently playing, loads the save, opens the map... I was a bit stunned by such audacity and pressed the Record button in MyKogo. It seems that Looser was so inexperienced with software that he genuinely thought MyKogo wasn't running, but it was clear that he was performing all the actions with cheats very smoothly and quickly, it was almost an automatic, subconscious instinct ))))))
There's also a log of yesterday's conversation with him. The video opens with the MyKogo player.
He didn't respond yesterday, so I decided to post it for public viewing, and today he still didn't respond, so I decided to write here... Today, I was particularly amused by these phrases:
Looser (11:48:40 20/04/2010) Okay, I guess I really annoyed someone, since the "bayevtsy" decided to take care of me. Go ahead and post it, I'll go find a lawyer. 343425087 (11:48:56 20/04/2010) What "bayevtsy"? Looser (11:49:23 20/04/2010) Well, you're from "bay" 343425087 (11:49:27 20/04/2010) No 343425087 (11:49:30 20/04/2010) I'm with Warlords.
P.S. Looser lived up to his nickname... you have to be quite the idiot to mess up like that )))))) P.P.S. Don't play SOD, you can do things like that there (see the video above), but play Warlords
Captain
16 years ago
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It wasn't him – it was his friend. :) This is the first thought that might come to mind after reading all of this.
VT isn't a cure for cheaters either. You wouldn't believe how many people I've encountered online, and seen their Heroes folders shared on the network. Even respected people gave me explanations here, saying that the person isn't playing that game, that's why they're acting this way... they're honest.)
This is a virtual world – and if someone wants to cheat, they will always find a way to do it. It's just that such a cheater's worldview changes... they stop being a gentleman, you could even say they become ruder.)
Dear cheaters, what will victory give you? A feeling of superiority? That's laughable. If a person can't earn real money, that's an indicator of their mental abilities (after all, we often compare Heroes to intelligent tasks). Therefore, I subconsciously trust those who have real money, who have achieved director-level positions in real life...
Looser
16 years ago
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A blatant provocation! :) This is a real masterpiece of editing!
I really wanted to download the mod, as it offers incredible convenience and speed in gameplay. I couldn't manage it myself due to my lack of computer skills, so I turned to an influential person, who also happened to be the creator. I gave him control of my computer (what a fool I was!) and ended up with this mess. :(
Dear Asmu, I would advise you to use your skills for more serious and professional endeavors. People with your talents are needed in many places! I think it's distasteful to promote your creation in this way. The mod is already very popular and will continue to gain even more traction.
Watched a movie.
Something about it felt sad; it didn't cheer me up at all. I'd like to hear what the accused has to say. What's the point of doing things this way? Was it just to prove his amazing skill to a newbie? What a mess.
By the way, he's doing pretty well in the battles. With that kind of gameplay, he should have crushed the newbie. It seems like maphacking has become a habit for him, something he just does.
Added 2 minutes later Looser
This is pure provocation! :) A real montage by a true master!
I really wanted to download the Warlock Tool because the convenience and speed of the game are amazing. I couldn't manage it myself, due to my inexperience with computers, so I asked a powerful person, and also the creator, to help. I gave him control of my computer (what a fool I was!) and ended up with this mess. :(
Dear Asmu, I would advise you to use your skills for more serious and professional endeavors. People like you are needed in many places! I think it's disgusting to promote your creation in this way. The Warlock Tool is already very popular and will continue to gain popularity.
If that's the case, then the joke isn't very funny. Because it was unpleasant to watch
A pure provocation! :) A real edit by a true master! I really wanted to download WT, because the convenience and speed of the game are amazing. I couldn't manage it myself, due to inexperience with computers, so I turned to an influential person, the creator no less, gave him control of my computer (what a fool, huh :) ) and got this mess :( I would advise the esteemed Asmu to use such skill for more serious and professional matters; people like him are very much needed in many places! Using this method to promote his creation seems disgusting to me. WT is already very popular with many and will continue to gain even more popularity.
Looser
On the first [map/turn] there are constant shooter blocks, but I managed to break through to the native secondary skill via archmages. At home, I built cavalry. On the second [map/turn], a couple of Dragon Fly Hives and three conserveries. I gathered 9 angels and went to take the opponent's castle secondary skill. On the third [map/turn], treasure zone, thanks to expert scouting [of the air/vision] I controlled the opponent. In the treasure zone, the first Dragon Utopia was a minimum one and gave Wings; then I fly around and collect Dragon Utopias. On 141, I replenish mana at home, almost all parameters are under 30, then with 12 archmages I attack GO and search for Tazik (I have three books in my pocket, just in case it's difficult to beat him with troops!) Thanks for the game
The writing style really reminds me of a certain comrade :)
Pure provocation! :) This is a real masterpiece of editing!
I really wanted to download VT because the convenience and speed of the game are amazing. I couldn't manage it myself, due to my inexperience with computers, so I turned to an influential person, and also the creator, gave him control of my computer (what a fool I was!), and I got this mess :(
Dear Asmu, I would advise you, with such skill, to focus on more serious and professional endeavors. People like you are needed in many places! And to promote your creation in this way, I think, is disgusting. VT is already very popular and will continue to gain popularity.
LOL ))))))))) Couldn't come up with a better excuse? At least say that Cobra visited you )))))))
RomarioGrom
16 years ago
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Mikogo is a new detective hired by honest players to find malicious cheaters:smile18: Are you still cheating:confused: Then we're coming for you:smile10:
LOL ))))))))) Couldn't come up with a better excuse? At least say that Cobra visited you )))))))
A phrase that is becoming a catchphrase, taken from yesterday's Wargaming chat:
"Have you turned off Mikogo yet? Then Cobra is coming to your place!!!"
wowa
16 years ago
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After what seemed like a settled dispute, it's almost unpleasant to even write about it, because the situations are practically identical, a mirror image, damn it :(
However, I'd like to point out the difference, which might prompt someone from the administration to realize it, even belatedly (because, as wise people said, the devil is in the details))))) I'm writing this based on the fact that I trust Asmu as an enthusiast, a dedicated person, and someone who is responsive. But I have a question for him: it seems like you can't run 2 copies of the WoG engine – it would be good to clarify this for the future, right? :) So, here's the search for the devil: 1. Everyone who has been to St. Petersburg and other places knows Alex in real life; no one has ever seen Loser... By the way, the consequence is that Alex actually has something to lose. 2. Alex is a top-tier player, which has been proven in offline tournaments; there are no offline tournaments here, simply because of point 1. 3. With his recognized experience, Alex cheated terribly :D A much less skilled player cheats in a classic way: I won't describe it, because it's unpleasant, but you can feel the hand of a Master ;) Unfortunate Alex, according to the respected Peterius, couldn't even cheat properly – he arranges delays for this, doesn't think to save the game – in short, it's a nightmare, and that's despite the fact that they were playing on the Test Environment, where 2 copies of the game are NORMALLY possible!!! There's still room for his skills to grow :D :D 4. As a fact, Alex uses (or rather, used to use) MicroG constantly; for him, it's like "turn off the lights when you leave," it's an essential thing. In this unfortunate case, however, they launched Trans for the first time, so even Stanislavsky would believe that they could have forgotten. 5. And finally, there was an immediate attack on Asmu, whose selfless contribution to the Heroes community is well known, and his integrity is beyond doubt. By the way, let's compare – Alex didn't initially defend himself, because he basically didn't care – he came here to share his skills, and if there's such a misunderstanding, then so be it. Nevertheless, the subsequent response should make someone think about his human qualities (it was in a friendly tone, because he felt some degree of responsibility for the situation). Here, however, there was an attack, and immediately, right on the forum – you can feel the wounded pride – which was not at all noticeable in Alex's case, despite his virtual boasting))))
==== Let everyone draw their own conclusions; I hope this isn't just another hoax, although I think everyone trusts Asmu.
P.S.: This case has raised a real problem with online play :( :( I didn't like delaying games even before, although – firmly believing that you can't run 2 copies of SoD in any way – I understood that even without interruptions and disconnections, against a second laptop with a flash drive, you're nothing.
2RomarioGrom: Yes, it would be boring without MicroG, but the criminal should also know how to get caught, however.......!
Wowa, I mentioned that 2 different versions of Heroes of Might and Magic and Platinum were launched, and it seems that's possible.
But!!!!! Attention!!!!! It seems the suspect's identity has been revealed. Stinger gave me a good tip.
=Stinger= (15:44:21 20/04/2010) he even revealed his email 343425087 (15:44:28 20/04/2010) where? =Stinger= (15:44:29 20/04/2010) inmag@list.ru =Stinger= (15:44:36 20/04/2010) well, it was in the movie
Full name: Viktor Gender: Male Age: 32 years City of residence: Moscow / view on map » Phone: 89166794578 E-mail: inmag@list.ru
Working conditions Education Secondary
Work experience 12 years
Professional skills and knowledge Punctual, neat, and communicative. Careful with the car. Experience driving any make of car. Previously worked for artists and influential people.
Comment to resume Punctual, neat, and communicative. Careful with the car. Experience driving any make of car. Previously worked for artists and influential people.
3. With his recognized experience, Alex cheated terribly :D A much less skilled player cheats in a classic way: I won't describe it, because it's unpleasant, but you can feel the hand of a Master ;) Poor Alex, according to the respected Peterius, couldn't even cheat properly - he arranges delays for this, doesn't think to save - in short, it's a nightmare, and that's despite the fact that they were playing on the Test Environment, where there are 2 copies of Heroes that work perfectly!!! There is still room for his skills to grow :D :D
Why this distortion and twisting of facts? Just because you made some absurd conclusions from my statements doesn't mean that's how it is. On the contrary, you should admit that you were wrong, because it turns out that everything is not as you thought! And what else you don't know, only God knows. You were so sure of yourself, saying that you are a top-notch expert in exposing cheaters, but you didn't even know such a simple fact about the two Soda versions. You are ridiculous in your conclusions, do you even hear yourself? Listen to yourself! Honestly, I'm already sick of your constantly updated versions, based on your indescribable common sense. And now you're starting to be sarcastic. wowa
5. And finally, there's an immediate attack on Asma, whose selfless contribution to Heroes is well known, and his integrity is beyond doubt. By the way, let's compare - Alex didn't initially defend himself, because he didn't really care - he came here to share his skills, and if there was such a misunderstanding, then so be it, however, the subsequent response should make someone think about his human qualities (it was in a friendly tone, because he felt some responsibility for the awkward situation) Here, on the other hand, there is an attack, and immediately, right on the forum - you can feel the wounded pride - which was not at all noticeable in Alex's case with his virtual boasting))))
Vova, you are a naive baby! Should I let you read my logs with Alex about this? Or maybe I should post this conversation here in a "friendly tone," where you won't feel any "wounded pride"? What will you write then? Will you quote someone else for added importance? At least think a few steps ahead before writing, or better yet, take a break from your creations, everything has calmed down anyway, thank God.
So, you are deliberately ignoring the difference between these two episodes? ;)
In that case, it's pointless to explain anything further to you personally; all arguments will be absorbed by a mental barrier with pre-set attitudes :(
P.S.: But maybe you still understand the difference between personal chatter in a chat and public posting on a forum? :)
SpiriTT
16 years ago
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Please consider this situation at some official level. This user is also registered for tournaments and has participated in them, and continues to do so! What should I do with him now?
So, you're deliberately ignoring the difference between these two episodes? ;) In that case, it's pointless to explain anything further to you personally; all arguments will be absorbed by a mental barrier with pre-set attitudes :(
I don't see any reason to note a difference or establish any connections between these two cases, except for your personal, subjective initiatives, expressed in a rather inappropriate tone. wowa
P.S.: But maybe you understand the difference between personal chatter in ICQ and public posting on a forum? :)
I do understand. It's unclear what the reaction would have been if I had acted similarly to Asmu. If you prioritize this particular statement, then the situations regarding "the reaction" cannot be compared at all due to their absolute lack of identity. Do you grasp the illogicality and inconsistency of your statements?
