Regarding Wlk777 being permanently banned. — Tournament History

General ZeT

16 years ago

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In general, the cumulative penalty system clearly has a drawback. For example, on the portal, you can counter the angel to remove the cloud (6 clouds = ban). We only have the sum of penalties.

Hmm... it's a good idea.

Besides, neither I nor Zet knew that he had very little time left before the ban. If we had known, I wouldn't have provoked him so openly, and Zet might not have been so strict.

If I had known that he needed very little to get a permanent ban, I simply wouldn't have done that "little" thing.

As for bringing him back, I personally have no desire to see him return or to keep him banned. Moreover, as it turned out, he once asked the Creator for an unban, and as far as I understand, he hasn't changed much. Maybe this time, although I still don't think so. Judging by those who voted for his amnesty, write a letter to the Admin, saying that the people want him back because he is a good player, and as one comrade here said:

The person brings great benefits to the game.

Truly, I haven't seen any benefits...

In reply to General ZeT

Catch

16 years ago

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General ZeT

Honestly, I don't see any benefit...

What's not to understand? This person's posts increase interest in the forum, attract people, and increase the number of visitors. For almost any online resource, increasing traffic is a good thing.

Loi

16 years ago

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If we summarize the preliminary results of the poll, 75% voted for unbanning... But 25% is also a significant number in this case, I think...
I liked:

Unban him and introduce a personal regime for him – a two-week ban for every 20 points of violations.

2 Pasha Dubrovin: Maybe we should try to find a compromise then?
And introduce a final, detailed poll (the detail of the poll is due to the results of the first poll and is done with the aim of taking into account the opinion of as many people as possible...)
Include the following points in the poll:
-For unconditional unbanning (i.e., unban without conditions).
-For unconditional banning (i.e., leave everything as it is).
-Unban and introduce a personal regime for him – a two-week ban for every 20 points of violations.
-Abstain (or I have another, special opinion).
If two-thirds of the votes or more (>=2/3) are for the first option, write a letter to the admin (the Creator, so to speak).
And don't conduct any more polls on this topic:)
Is there any merit to this suggestion, Pasha?

General ZeT

16 years ago

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A person increases interest in the forum with their posts

:D
I don't think the forum needs his posts full of profanity. It wasn't for nothing that he received so many points for his history on HeroesWorld. The reason, for the most part, was his rather interesting writings, but not for this forum.

Javdet

16 years ago

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Medium_HP

Unban him and implement a personalized ban system: a two-week ban for every 20 violation points.

That's cool! And put tattoos near the avatar indicating the number of times he's been banned!

Loi

16 years ago

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the forum needs his posts containing profanity

Vlk777 said: "
"out of 1500 posts, I only had 1 (one) with profanity"
From myself: not to offend or oppose, but just for the sake of fairness - I'll note that I haven't noticed any profanity in his posts...
I won't say anything about spam, flame, or trolling, as I'm not very good at these subtleties...
Yes, he was sometimes incorrect and inappropriate in his statements (sometimes I even opposed him and had him on my personal ignore list) - but, I repeat, I haven't noticed any profanity from him.
Also, the last thing (maybe Valentin will be offended by this) - if there is a poll, which I suggested, I will vote for a conditional unban (20-2 weeks), because last time I urged many Heroes players to unban him and I feel some awkwardness towards them now...

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SpiriTT

16 years ago

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Loi

...because last time I called on many Heroes players to get unbanned, and I feel a bit awkward about it...

Basically, that's what happened.

In reply to LeBron

Ta Kotoraya...

16 years ago

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LeBron

in general, the very idea of a permanent ban seems impractical to me, and I don't see it having any meaning. If a person has become part of a community, there's nothing that can force them out.

Hmm... unfortunately, the history of the forum shows the opposite. In the very beginning, we had a user named Tigrenok ("old-timers, anyone remember?) - a notorious spammer (that's what we thought back then!!! :rolleyes: Now he would seem cute and fluffy:( ). So, he also had a permanent ban. We convinced the admins to unban him once. As a result, he was banned again, and that was it.... He tried to register clones and so on - we caught him and deleted them. He was banned by IP address. That's it. The person disappeared - although it was clear that he really loved the forum and enjoyed being here. It would be interesting now if he returned. But no.
So people leave... But most often, no one wins from this.

SpiriTT

16 years ago

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I thought about it for a long time and ultimately decided to refrain from taking any action.
I always said that this person is unchangeable, and I used that as an argument when people asked me to intervene on his behalf. It turns out I was completely right.
But on the other hand, the aggression from his side has decreased significantly, although thoughtless and rather offensive posts still appear quite often. People don't really change, but in a critical situation, common sense emerges in them, and it emerges very well. I decided to refrain, but I wanted to express my opinion.

theShevanesian

16 years ago

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A permanent ban is ridiculous :) Especially for swearing. The main thing is that the player doesn't violate the rules and plays fairly. Disrespectful communication should, of course, be punished, but not so severely. We can't afford to lose players, we just can't.

General ZeT

16 years ago

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Comrade theShevanesian, he received a ban not from the hands of the administration, but from an automated system. After accumulating the necessary number of points for a ban, he received it. That is, he wrote profanity, a moderator noticed it and issued a ban; this is not how it happened. The moderator, in this case, me, simply recorded the violation, and his number of points reached the limit, after which, unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, a permanent ban was issued.

Writing profanity is also a violation of the rules, not the rules of the game, but the rules of the portal.