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Offline KillerVampire
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If there is a decision from the Arbitration Committee (AK), what other objections can there be? The decision is made by voting, not by a single member of the committee – this means that the fact of MAPHAKING was clearly visible to all members of the AK, and all other disputes and accusations against the AK should be severely suppressed, given that the AK is a collegial body.
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Offline Wicc
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The unacceptable action that occurred on Alex's computer is not considered cheating, but rather unacceptable behavior of a fan/example: fans destroying a stadium – the management of the team whose fans did it is responsible.
Yes, a good argument. How could I not have figured it out myself, a direct analogy.

In football, such episodes (a match being stopped by the referee due to unacceptable fan behavior) are resolved by awarding a technical defeat and disqualifying the stadium. But not the team!

Furthermore, Alex is accused of disrespecting his opponent. Such claims should be dealt with exclusively upon the request of the injured party. But there was no such request, moreover, the opponent confirmed the report.

In essence, the AK (Arbitration Committee) only considered the fact of cheating. Which, as follows from the vote on the World Championship, was not confirmed.

That is, if such a case were considered, for example, in the KDK (Control and Disciplinary Committee in Russian football), then most likely no sanctions would follow at all – due to the absence of a statement from the injured party and due to the absence of a positive doping test result.

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so the fact of MAPHACKING was clearly visible to all members of the AK
Are you even reading the topic?

The fact of maphacking is only visible to Pete, Dubrovin, and a small number of overly enthusiastic fans.
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2 =Stinger= - ...Unfortunately, most of you are deprived of this, you deprived ones. Envy in peace. You bastards (this is specifically for the bastards, not for all forum members).(c)-I think with these words you killed your authority, at least for me, which is sad..(!!!...and only your skill remains...

I'll say this: I'm not in the loop about what happened there, but I think there's no smoke without fire regarding THIS situation... I'm an HW player, and therefore 100% (because I have no doubt about the honesty of all AK members) know that AK made its decision certainly not with the goal of eliminating a strong player... but due to other circumstances...

and now, if we get personal...
I want to say this about Alex:
I don't know what he says to whom and for what purposes....but we played many games together and communicated a lot, and not ONCE did I receive any rudeness from him directed at me!!!Perhaps he tried to dominate our conversation or we teased each other situationally (again, jokingly) during the game, but we always communicated normally!!!
regarding the game:
again, I repeat - I don't know what happened in THIS situation... but I can judge from our games. We played many games, and only in one game was I a little surprised. When on the second week he arrived at the Griffin Conservatory, he wrote to me (just don't take too many angels in the Conservatory, I didn't take mine)...THAT'S IT...in the other games he showed fast-paced and beautiful play, after the games I watched the saves and took note of some things!!!for which I thank him!!!
Удача любит подготовленных!!!





Стримы и обучение тут:
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Offline Loi
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The fact of maphacking is only visible to Pete, Dubrovin, and a small number of overly enthusiastic fans.
What's with these irrelevant attacks? Is it to have the last word?
And I could also resort to making unsubstantiated claims and say that the fact of maphacking, i.e., revealing the map during an unfinished game, is documented and visible to everyone except Wick and a small number of biased and prejudiced defenders...
In principle, the essence is clear, in my opinion, further discussion loses its meaning... and turns into a drawn-out argument, threatens to turn into abstract discussions and disputes about definitions, the construction of conclusions, and evidence based on analogies and examples (KDK, football...).
Good luck to AK in this difficult but noble endeavor.
P.S. As a final note, I personally believe that a key rule has been grossly violated here:
6. Fair Play
The most important rule: players must play fairly and respect each other. It is forbidden to use cheat codes and all kinds of "bugs." It is also not allowed to open saves and reveal the map in the editor before the end of the game. The game is considered finished when one player has completely destroyed the other or one of them has surrendered, which must be confirmed via ICQ. Only after this is it allowed to open saves.
and the punishment should be severe. What the hell!! A true Player, from whose computer cheats were entered in an unfinished game - if he is a Player of the Great Game, of course - should feel a sharp sense of shame and embarrassment for his mischief and should do everything possible to justify himself. I repeat, it's him, not AK.
If I were making the decision, I would ban him unconditionally for a year, no matter who it was (well, unless I had more internal turmoil if it turned out to be a good acquaintance...).
Maybe it's a good thing that I'm not in AK :)
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2 =Stinger= - ...Unfortunately, most of you are deprived of this, you poor things. Envy in peace. You bastards (this is specifically for the bastards, not all forum users). (s) - I think with these words you killed your credibility, at least for me, which is a pity... (!!!...and only your skill remains...

I'll say this - I'm not in the know about what happened there, but I think there's no smoke without fire in THIS situation... I'm a Hive player, and therefore I'm 100% sure (because I don't doubt the honesty of all members of the Admin Council) that the Admin Council did not make a decision with the aim of eliminating a strong player... but for other reasons...

and now, if we move on to personal attacks...
I want to say about Alex:
I don't know what he says to whom and for what purpose... but we played many games together and talked a lot, and I NEVER heard any rudeness from him directed at me!!! Maybe he was trying to dominate our conversation, or maybe we were teasing each other in some way during the game (again, jokingly), but we always communicated normally!!!
regarding the game:
again, I repeat - I don't know what happened in THIS situation... but I can judge from our games. We played many games, and only in one game I was a little surprised when, on the second week, when I approached his castle, he wrote to me (don't take too many angels into your castles, I didn't take any of my own)... THAT'S IT... in the rest of the games, he showed a fast-paced and beautiful game, and after the games, I watched replays and took note of some things!!! thank you for that!!!


I'm sorry that I disappointed you. I have never written such posts, but I cannot understand how the personality of one specific person can reflect on the entire resource. You read Captain's posts carefully, for example, if something happens, he writes - you're all like that on the battlefield... this is typical for a battlefield player... yes, he is a battlefield player and that's how it is. He doesn't like battlefield players... so what if someone doesn't like something, but you need to write on the topic, and not, at every convenient opportunity, to be sarcastic about the battlefield player you don't like. Such behavior is associated with the behavior of bastards, aka petty troublemakers. And I don't like it much more than direct insults of the same Alex, for example.
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I too could descend to the level of unsubstantiated claims and say that the fact of maphacking, i.e., revealing the map in an unfinished game, is documented and visible to everyone except Vikk and a small number of biased and prejudiced defenders...

I certainly cannot count myself among the biased and prejudiced defenders. As I've already said, I am not particularly familiar with any of the participants. I have an equally neutral attitude towards the resources that the participants represent — and some here are already trying to drive a wedge between them. My perspective is purely an outside one. I have already mentioned that I have not judged or conducted online tournaments. But I have conducted plenty of offline tournaments. Cheaters exist everywhere, and the principles of catching cheaters and proving cheating are similar. If there is the slightest doubt that a person has cheated, the presumption of innocence applies, a warning is issued, and if a similar situation occurs again, the person is then penalized.
And I will repeat once more. This decision by the Arbitration Committee is ill-considered, unjustified, and harmful, first and foremost to HeroesWorld.
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Offline KobRa_RR
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and the punishment should be severe. What the hell!! A true Player, the one who entered cheats into an unfinished game on his computer – if he is a Player of the great Game, of course – should feel a sharp sense of shame and embarrassment for his mischief and should do everything possible to justify himself. I repeat, it's him, not AK.
If I were making the decision, I would unconditionally ban him for a year, no matter who he is (unless I had more internal turmoil if it turned out to be a good acquaintance...).
Maybe it's a good thing that I'm not in AK :)

The guilty one is the one who defends himself. I don't know how else to say that Alex didn't do what the respected Investigators accuse him of.
Loi, take my advice – don't argue, it doesn't suit you. ;) I suggest (just suggesting) waiting a couple more days for the latecomers and closing the topic. At least, everything has become clear to me from this "discussion." Few people wrote anything relevant and sincerely.
And thank you to those who supported: Wic, Forrest, Stinger, wowa, Kash, KostyaN and others, thank you all!..We'll see each other again, I hope. In May, in Minsk, for example.
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Catch, you were saying something completely different about Vitalik... you have some kind of one-sided presumption...

regarding the topic - it's a pity that Forrest left. When someone leaves a community, it's not the community that suffers, but that individual... it's a shame.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Nauvuh, you're not yourself (or maybe you are, for once?). Forrest didn't leave any community. But a lot of people have already left HeroesWorld — and not just anyone, but players whose skill you couldn't even dream of. And I genuinely feel sorry for the team tournament, which has already lost two top-tier teams. And this is happening only because of AK's unreasonable decision
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Navukh, you're not yourself (or maybe the opposite, you're actually very much yourself?). Forrest didn't leave any community. But a lot of people left Hv, and not just any people, but players whose skill you can only dream of.
Please justify your words.

Moderated: INSULT in the message

Either what you're saying will become a scientific fact that you're a blabbermouth and a liar.
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Today, I thought about the situation again, weighed all the facts I know, and came to certain conclusions. ATG is undoubtedly a strong player. There's no point for him to use cheats to achieve victory. It seems logical, right? Especially considering Mikogo. It would seem that everything is obvious. BUT. Alex is a person with a peculiar logic; he is curious and impulsive, and somewhat unstable. The fact that he was caught using cheats is undeniable. But it was simply out of curiosity – deep down, he believes, "I'm great; I'll win anyway, and besides, the person I'm playing against isn't my friend, and who knows, maybe they're just a noob" (sorry, Andrei). In short, he used cheats out of curiosity, forgetting about Mikogo in his own greatness. And he got caught. Peterius clearly explained everything. Explaining his motive to his best friend, Cobra, Alex asked him to cover for him. He did this very clumsily, with many inconsistencies, because it's hard to come up with a lie on the spot. AK probably figured out the whole thing; there are no idiots there either, and that's how it turned out. IMHO.
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It seems to me that the topic has run its course. I don't think Fortress wanted this. Therefore, with his tacit consent, I'm closing the topic, and when I have time, I'll clean it up from the flame.
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