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Wlk777
Why not just draw lots to decide how to structure the skill discussion (which tends to turn into arguments), so that no one feels offended and no one has any complaints about you?
1. What's the point of drawing lots when one player only plays Light/Spider, another only plays SOD/SM, and a third only uses "large builds without computers"? There are only 2-3 possible options here, and I'll even use a coin to decide. 2. The argument was about the strength of Shakti/Gunnar. If you pit a clearly stronger player against a weaker one, the stronger player will likely win due to skill, unless they are completely outmatched. I'm 99% sure that Gunnar is stronger if Stinger plays him, and I play as the Shaman. And vice versa. There's nothing to be offended about; it's just a game. 3. I don't understand why it's so difficult to agree with Stinger and play a friendly match if you're so eager to do so? Satyr wanted to and played, and he's not causing any trouble here. Stop arguing. You signed up – play according to the rules you signed up for, and I'm not going to babysit anyone here. Added after 36 minutes In the second post, I wrote who should play against whom. You can play other pairs if you agree; it will be like a second round. There is no strict regulation, and there are no deadlines. GL
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I don't understand why it's so difficult to come to an agreement with Stinger and play a friendly match, if he's so eager. Satyr wanted to and played, and he's not making a fuss here. Stop creating conflicts. You signed up – play by the rules you signed up for, and I'm not going to babysit anyone here.

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In the second post, I wrote who should play with whom. You can also play other pairs if you agree; it will be like the second round. There is no strict regulation, and there are no deadlines. GL

CORONA – take off your adult supervisor hat. I would play by the rules, but you change them every minute.
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Nothing to add. And I won't respond to rudeness with more rudeness. I don't care.
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If it's not too late, I'll sign up:
1. Gunnar (I see that the team is outnumbered)
2. Doesn't matter
3. Doesn't matter
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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So, what's the deal with banning Necromancer? We don't want the tournament to end up like the one with Wizards, where the whole point of the tournament gets lost.
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Зима 2011-12.
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Javdet
So, what's the deal with the Necromancer ban? We don't want the tournament to end up like the one with the Wizards, where the whole point of the tournament gets lost.
The point of the tournament is to play with a starting Gunnar. There's no other point to it.
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So what about the Necromancer ban?
If the tournament is thematic, maybe we shouldn't necro? Well then a full ban, I think... so that -everything is clear and simple- we dismiss skeletons and that's it...
So that there is no "a -necromancer isn't the main one, like, just a subfolder, a marauder-super scout -purely for meat in the Griffin Conservatory (Dragon Utopia).
but overall -I'm for any agreement- as long as there is one :)
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If the tournament is thematic, maybe let's not ban Necro? Well then a full ban, I suppose... so that everything is clear and simple—we fire Skeletons and that's it...
So there's no "Oh, Necro isn't the main thing, just a sub-folder, Marauder-Super Scout—pure cannon fodder for the Griffin Conservatory (Dragon Utopia).
But overall—I'm for any agreement, as long as it exists :)

But if Gosha shows up with 3 stacks—where do we put him? :confused: Sit there counting how many need to be fired and split off? I personally am not going to fire anyone.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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But what if Gosha shows up with 3 stacks? What should we do?:confused: Should he just sit there and calculate how many people need to be fired and reassigned? I personally don't plan on firing anyone.
We should play World Tournament. There are no problems there. Gosha with 3 stacks can only come from prison, and besides, without Necromancy - feel free to play and have fun ;)
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Wicc
The essence of the tournament is to play with the starting Gunnar. There is no other point.
Red Dungeon, high probability of being at the top, no +1 speed from the native terrain, and a weak starting army – a huge temptation to switch to Necropolis if it appears. The point of the tournament is to find out which hero is better, not to read reports about Izra defeating Shakti, or Shakti defeating Gosha.
It is impossible to completely eliminate switching to another hero (for example, Tazar arrives, and the skill tree is better, etc.), but fixing Necropolis will at least alleviate this problem.
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Зима 2011-12.
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Red dungeon, high chance of starting at the top, no +1 speed from native terrain, weak starting army – a huge temptation to switch to Necropolis if it appears. The point of the tournament is to determine which hero is better, not to read reports about Izra defending against Shakti, or Shakti defending against Gosh.
It is impossible to completely eliminate switching to another hero (for example, Tiaz arrives, the skill tree is better, etc.), but fixing Necropolis will at least alleviate this problem.
I have a different opinion. I remember that there used to be debates about who was better in Chaos rules, Valya or Katya. Of course, no one was going to level up Katya; the question was purely methodological – which hero is better to start with. Similarly, later in TE, there were discussions about whether to start with Anna or Nila/Iona/Toros. I also remember that at one time, it was fashionable to start with Ramp through Yenova, although sometimes she was even made the main hero. So, here, the start with Gunnarr is compared to the start with Shakti under certain conditions. Of course, the conditions should be as close as possible to real games. For this reason, I am against restrictions that do not exist in standard tournaments. Regarding the color – in my opinion, Gunnarr should not be strictly given red, but the ability to choose a color. On some maps, blue will be preferable to red.
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the start with Gunnar is compared to the start with Shaktii under certain conditions. It is clear that the conditions should be as close as possible to real games. For this reason, I am against restrictions that do not exist in standard tournaments.
That makes sense. Shall we do it that way? And if there are too many reports like "Goshan defends against anyone," to the delight of Valentin (who predicted all this! :)) - well, then they simply won't be taken into account when analyzing (if there is any analysis...).

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Loy (Shaktii) - Javdet (Gunnar) - as part of a "Shaktii vs. Gunnar" TYPE TOURNAMENT - "Attack of the Lords." Will anyone watch? ID, please - take it from me in Ace...
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2 Vik, regarding this matchup, are there any doubts about which faction is better to start with? The answer is obvious. The real question is – which faction is better in the endgame.
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Зима 2011-12.
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2 Vic, in this matchup, are there any doubts about who has a better starting position? The answer is obvious. The real question is - who will perform better at the finish.
Then the question is relevant: on which week is the finish? ;)
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Just to refresh everyone's memory on how this topic started: the statistics on Gunnar's reports were appalling, so they decided to have a "measuring contest."
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Зима 2011-12.

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