What is your opinion about Heroes IV? — General

Magnus

20 years ago

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2Magnus
Well, and to live in the USSR without innovations, living the life of a cultist of a munchkin game:)

I don't like the USSR:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:, I prefer the Russian Empire (i.e., before 1917).
And in general, Heroes V is utter garbage.
P.S. Tell me why it's a masterpiece.:rolleyes:

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Night

20 years ago

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Magnus

P.s. Tell me why it's a masterpiece:rolleyes:

It's a masterpiece because it doesn't continue the casual fourth installment.
-Which is important - the graphics, because it's much more enjoyable to play a beautiful game (the graphics in the third game are beautiful)
-Familiar gameplay from the third game
-New features (some are successful, some are not so much)
-A new story - how many times can we rehash the same heroes, because even they don't live forever
-And the game is being developed by Nival:)

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Vlad

20 years ago

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Magnus

P.S. Tell me why you think it's a masterpiece.:rolleyes:

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion! If you believe that Heroes 5 isn't a masterpiece, then don't consider it one; Satanists also don't believe in God. And we, ordinary people, will continue to believe that Heroes 5 is a masterpiece...
And since we started this discussion, all subsequent comments about whether it's a masterpiece or not should be posted in the appropriate thread /topic/181/

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Magnus

20 years ago

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Xaker

Well, everyone has the right to their own opinion! If you think that Heroes 5 isn't a masterpiece, then don't consider it one; Satanists also don't believe in God. And we, ordinary people, will continue to believe that Heroes 5 is a masterpiece...
And since we've started this discussion, all subsequent comments about whether it's a masterpiece or not should go in the appropriate thread: /topic/181/

Sorry, it's just inconvenient to work on two fronts, i.e., defend Heroes IV and criticize Heroes V at the same time

Серега

20 years ago

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Yes, I agree about the fourth game, but it’s still too early to talk about the fifth, although they took a lot from the third Heroes game!

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Vlad

20 years ago

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Sergey

Yes, I agree about the fourth game, but it’s too early to talk about the fifth one, although they took a lot from the third Heroes game!!!

Isn’t that a good thing?

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Night

20 years ago

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Magnus

Sorry, it's just inconvenient to work on two fronts, i.e., defend Heroes IV and bash Heroes V at the same time.

Yes, and I find it convenient to defend the Fifth installment and criticize the Fourth.

If you have nothing against the Third game, why are you *lying* about the Fifth?

If you valued the strategic aspect of Heroes, rather than the min-maxing role-playing, you would understand me.

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Ellin

20 years ago

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Magnus

And in general, Heroes V is a total failure
P.s Name one reason why this is a masterpiece.:rolleyes:

If I'm not mistaken, Heroes 5 will have a random map generator??? Well, IMHO that is the answer as to why Heroes is a masterpiece...
Remember Disciples... well, you finish all campaigns for all nations... spend a couple of weeks with some beer and a buddy - play through all the maps... then download some more maps... THEN WHAT??? the game goes down the drain...
What difference does it make that there's a new plot? I've been playing Heroes for five years - still haven't finished a single campaign.... What difference does it make that battles are no longer round-based? And a vampire without a sword? And a gargoyle that looks rickety, and a djinn like Hottabych????? etc. own so on......
You can completely IGNORE all of that, because there's an old familiar game with plenty of innovations and most importantly - WITH A MAP GENERATOR!!!
IMHO - this is what will ensure the game's popularity...

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Katrine

20 years ago

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Xaker

How many times have I repeated that Heroes 4 is an unsuccessful experiment?!
Why did they deviate from the good ideas of the third game?
An army without a hero is like soup without water!
A bunch of useless spells, and some of them even duplicate each other.
And after all this (at least), you want to say that Heroes 4 deserves to exist????

What did you expect from Heroes 4? A continuation of the third game? The third game is a great game. Undoubtedly, the series owes its popularity to the third game.
But is it the best in the series? In my opinion, no. It lacks the fantasy, the storytelling, the music, and many other things that were in the second part (in my opinion, the best game in the series). The third game spawned many add-ons, both official and unofficial.
After all this, did you really need another game like the third one?

Regarding your statements: Have you even played Heroes 4? Not just played it, but played it thoughtfully?
An army without a hero is only needed to deliver reinforcements and simplify the clearing of the creeps that appear every month. It is not usable in battle because the battle AI practically doesn't work. There is no luck. It's just a large group of creeps. If you had played, you would know.
There are no unusable spells in Heroes 4. If you have a different opinion, I sympathize. Name at least one unusable spell?
What ideas from the third game needed to be implemented? The skill system? Haven't you had enough of it? A hero like in Heroes 5, where he, along with a single sorceress, can kill a thousand footmen at level 1. Is that normal?:eek:

Ellin

If I'm not mistaken, Heroes 5 will have a random map generator???
In my opinion, this will ensure the game's popularity...

It's not that simple. No gameplay, no game. And a generator won't save it. People play Warcraft on the same maps in Battle.net, and what?
People play RPGs, going through them 20-30 times. A generator is a plus, a big plus, but it's far from the main thing.

Night

If you valued the strategic part of Heroes, and not the "min-maxing" role-playing, you would understand me.

Please explain. Where is the strategic part missing in Heroes 4, and present in Heroes 5?:)

You should play Heroes 4, and then criticize it...

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ВОРОН

20 years ago

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Katrine

What did you expect from the 4th installment? A continuation of the 3rd? The 3rd is a magnificent game. Undoubtedly, the series owes its popularity to the 3rd.
But is it the best in the series? In my opinion, no.
After that, did you really need another 3rd game?

I express my agreement. I'd like to recall that we had a similar conversation about the 5th game, only you were on the other side... or not with you?

Katrine

Regarding the statements. Have you actually played the 4th game? Not just played it, but played it thoughtfully?
An army without a hero is only needed to deliver reinforcements and simplify the clearing of the creeps that appear every month. It is unusable in battle because the Battle Doctrine practically doesn't work. There is no luck. It's just a large group of creeps. If you had played it, you would know.

I agree again. Only with one clarification: the army in the 4th game is generally not needed, only at the initial levels and in the Campaigns, when there is a limit on the hero's level, but in the 2nd-3rd missions of the Campaigns, it is also not needed.
It got to the point of absurdity. Not only did the army slow down movement, but when fighting neutrals, I had to separate units from the hero so that the valuable units wouldn't die. The hero is fine; he rests for a day, sleeps for a night, and is fresh again.
I'm not saying that the army is completely useless; sometimes it's needed as cannon fodder so that several strong attacks are directed at it while the hero does his job.
Therefore, I believe that the 4th game is more of an RPG than a strategy, and since I like RPGs more, I played the 4th game to my heart's content.

Katrine

There are no unusable spells in the 4th game. If you have a different opinion, I sympathize. Name at least one unusable spell?

Again, I agree. There are no unusable ones – they all work. :)
Only when you have a lot of spells and there is something to choose from, you realize that most of them are not necessary, and you use the spells that are more effective. In this sense, there are many unnecessary spells in the 4th game. But, of course, this is just my opinion. :)

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Vlad

20 years ago

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Katrine

Regarding the statements. Have you even played 4? Not just for the sake of it, but with a strategy?
An army without a hero is only useful for delivering reinforcements and simplifying the clearing of creepers that appear every month. In battle, it's unusable. Because the Battle Database practically doesn't work. There is no luck. Just a large squad of creepers.

Nope, I don't need version 2 of the third one...
I was expecting something very similar but with changes and new possibilities, instead I got a fundamentally new game; yes, of course I agree with you, an army without a hero is very convenient! At first, I absolutely loved it!, but then I played as you say, with strategy, and I immediately felt like hugging my "white friend" :D (joke)
No, in reality, I cannot accept such changes, I just can't, and that's that...
I don't know about you, but I didn't use many of the spells; I can't list them now because I don't have the game and played it a very long time ago, and I'm afraid I'll confuse them with the third one.

Серега

20 years ago

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With the third game, there's hardly anything to confuse, as in the fourth game, all the spells are radically different from the third version!!!!!

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Katrine

20 years ago

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RAVEN

Only when you have a lot of spells and have something to choose from, you realize that most of them are unnecessary, and you use the spells that are more effective. In this sense, there are a lot of unnecessary spells in the 4th installment. But, of course, this is just my opinion.:)

This is actually a huge plus of the 4th installment. Because it allows you to play with spells. The opponent will never know exactly which spell I will cast.
A simple question: which slow is better? Mass slow or not? There is no definitive answer. It all depends on the situation and the vision of the battle.

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Vlad

20 years ago

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Sergey

It's unlikely that anything can be confused with the third installment, as all the spells in the fourth game are radically different from the third version!!!!!

I don't know about you... but I played it for no more than a month after it appeared on my computer. I can't even remember the name of a single spell right now, so please excuse me, I didn't even bother memorizing them!