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There’s no need to force anything or make anyone do something… I suggest simply revoting and that’s it… There isn’t a problem as such, there’s a problem with understanding.
What’s there to revote on? I included the version option in the vote to determine if a version that satisfies everyone is possible… for example, that everyone can play TE. But it turned out that such a version doesn’t exist – some can play TE, others can play SOD. Therefore, everything will be decided mutually, and if they can’t agree, it will be TE-Lite.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
There's no need to force anything or make anyone do something... I suggest simply revoting and that's it... There isn't a problem as such, there's a problem with understanding.
Something tells me that the result of a revote will be worse for Shades of Darkness than the first one.
Captain, TE-lite is essentially the same as SOD, just without the cheats and the ability to view everything. I agree with the previous commenters; I only play SOD these days out of obligation. But I'm willing to compromise and play VT.
Dear players, let's not start any arguments regarding the game version!
When the tournament was first being planned, SoD was declared in general. Later, an agreement was reached with Nagan that Lite would be played. And everyone who signed up to participate in the tournament was basing their expectations on exactly that version.
Therefore, I don't understand why this poll about the version was even conducted; it only stirred up trouble, as there is very little room for maneuver here.
P.S. I think this is the last tournament of this level being held on SoD gameplay. Future tournaments (if any) will most likely be held on WT.
The most interesting thing is that there is very little time left until May, and it is still unclear who will definitely be attending, but the arguments about the version are a sacred tradition... gentlemen, please provide more specifics.
The most interesting thing is that there is very little time left until May, and it is still unclear who will definitely come, but arguing about the version is a must... gentlemen, please provide more specifics.
A three-star hotel, sandwiches, in short, all-inclusive.
Okay, according to your version. If we judge by logic, then Stinger and Preds shouldn't even go to the finals... I know, I know, there will be an uproar now. Everyone has heard about Stinger; I haven't played with him, but I know he's strong. But he didn't make it in Moscow. And that's a small indicator of the strength of the Moscow tournament. Plus, he had a spot in Michurinsk. Therefore, my suggestion is that Stinger goes from Michurinsk, and if anyone else from Moscow can't make it, then we'll invite Wowa from Moscow and take 4-5 spots from Michurinsk.
There won't be any uproar.))) As for the strength of the Moscow tournament, let the participants of the event draw their own conclusions. I don't take it upon myself to judge the strength of the Kyiv tournament, for example. And you can keep your suggestions about where I'll go to yourself, because Preds and I participated in the selection in Moscow only to try to get spots for the players from Michurinsk. According to your logic, even if we had made it, say, to 2nd or 3rd place, we would still go from Michurinsk and give the spots to the players from Moscow. Well, and your statement that we shouldn't even go to the finals at all is just ridiculous. So, it turns out that Peterius started another selection for those who didn't make it for nothing?
A three-star hotel, sandwiches, basically all-inclusive)))
What was that about? My question was similar to the iconic phrase from the Adventures of Shurik: please list everyone. Who is definitely coming, who is definitely refusing, and who is being brought in to replace those who refused – that’s what I was interested in, and there are no doubts about the hospitality here ;)
for me personally, the Moscow tournament hasn't ended yet.
It just so happened that all the save files ended up with me ;) At that moment, I didn't think about the organizational consequences for myself, and there wasn't even time for it; I just needed to somehow save them from the computers.
But after the clear expression of distrust from my opponent (maybe in a joking way, but for me, there are no jokes on these topics, because in my opinion, where there's smoke, there's fire))))) I didn't think it was possible to finish my 4th game.
And since the save files ended up with me at the request of the judges, there is an opportunity for them to reassign the unfinished game with any player in the form of a bot – either online on WT, or they can personally arrange it ;)
It's certainly an exceptional case, but as long as there's a desire to go through the trouble, I can at least do it out of love for the art))))
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"
Are you trying to force this through a vote among the finalists? There was a vote, and TE won. If you want SOD to win, win the qualifiers, and your vote will be taken into account. But among those who made it, TE was the most popular. Maybe this is a sign of skill?
Hi. I sometimes browse and came across this. Initially, was SOD planned for the qualifiers or TE-Lite? It turned out that it was mostly SOD. When I played in the qualifiers in Moscow, I brought two SOD disks for myself, and it turned out to be useful in the end... (we played on it), because SOD was the official version of the tournament. You write about skill; it would be interesting to beat you in SOD in real life or actually start learning TE. I agree, there is an imbalance in SOD, but that's what makes the game of Heroes interesting and engaging, not robotic (grindy). If you're unlucky with the map, goodbye; if you're lucky, well done. I also read about how the places will be distributed by Vika; make an exception based on personal dislike, not for Mizraeel, but give my spot to Marcon – he's a normal, simple guy who was unlucky, and I want to give it to him. Is that possible?
I agree, there is an imbalance in the SoD. But that's what makes the game "Heroes," where luck and chance make the game exciting and interesting, rather than robotic (grindy). If you're unlucky with the map, goodbye; if you're lucky, good job.
This is precisely what the development ideology of the game is fighting against. And whether this is good or bad is irrelevant; it's a kind of medical fact.
Moreover, it's fighting not only by balancing the game but also by selecting templates. For example, SoD on XL+U is quite playable; I often play it, including in tournaments. And even fans of Chaos rules promote this approach.
For this reason, I don't see any particular harm to the development of Heroes if some of the matches in this tournament are played with SoD gameplay. Hence, Light is positioned as the main version.
But, as it turned out, in the current situation, SoD is mainly associated with CM and Balance, which are only conditionally playable even on TE, and on SoD, it's a complete lottery.
Some people like this, others don't, but the historical process has led to a gradual evolution of Heroes from a game of chance to a sports game. One's attitude towards this only affects their gaming career, not the overall trend.
I also read about how the places will be distributed by Vika; make an exception due to personal dislike, not for Mizraeel, but give my ticket to Markon – he's a normal, simple guy who was unlucky, and I want to give it to him; is that possible?
At the beginning, there was a lot of talk, both in public discussions and in private, that it would be good to avoid nepotism – forming the lineup for the final using diplomatic rather than sporting methods. It seems to be working so far; let's not break this trend.
Although many of those who could have realistically competed for the top 3 in the final tournament have already missed out – DC_Vasya, Mike_Spb, Markon.
I don't understand what the argument is about? :)
Anyone who has seen WT should understand: only it has the SoD settings!
And without TE settings, they can go straight to the trash, even when experienced players meet each other.
Arguments?
1. Speed in the limited time frame of the tournament:
a) Quick template switching (in Moscow, running to the admin for this took up a lot of time and disrupted the focus).
b) The amazing autobattle – it's easy to imagine the overall impact of it.
c) The ability, like in Light, to run 2 games in parallel, but with time control – the timer doesn't tick until the turn is taken.
d) The TE interface (external light programs are raw – in addition to the incomprehensible units, automatically transferring Nagas, Hydras, and Ogres without focusing on the process can lead to simple losses and defeats).
e) Anti-cheat as a way to relieve the judges – while I have no doubt about the integrity of the respected finalists, the hypothetical possibility of even accidentally revealing delayed matches is absent.
And there are other advantages – it installs quickly, it's a product of the future, no matter how you look at it... in short, I don't see any disadvantages.
Now, regarding the rules – of course, SoD (SoD settings in WT).
Arguments:
1. Everyone played on it, including the current TE players.
2. The best of them are still playing and succeeding.
3. And most importantly, any Competitive events should be held according to unified rules, and playing field hockey in the morning and polo in the evening is just wrong... IMHO
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"
You write about skill; it would be interesting to see you get beaten by me in a real-life match, or maybe I should start teaching you.
It would be interesting to see how that would be possible... unless the right conditions are met.;)
Added 10 minutes laterCaptain
And also - the winners in most of the qualifying rounds are pure SOD players: - in Kyiv - Aldegir - pure SOD - in Michurinsk - Leha - pure SOD - in Moscow - Eddie - pure SOD - Siberia - Van - pure SOD Therefore, you can count "most" like this ;) - 4 out of 7 for SOD, and only one - Yekaterinburg - for TE...
Following this (repeated censorship - logic), it makes no sense for anyone to even travel from second or third place to the final, because they have already been defeated. And the real goal of (repeated censorship) Captain is to push SOD (Light) and Vitalik into the final under any flimsy pretext.
I would organize semi-finals in Russia and Ukraine; the total attendance would definitely be much higher than the number of people who will come to the final, and after the semi-finals, the motivation would increase dramatically for the final. (consider this as a fan's dream)
Following this (repeated censorship - logic), it makes no sense for anyone to even travel from second or third place to the final, as they have already been defeated. And the real goal (repeated censorship) of the Captain is to push SOD (Light) and Vitalik into the final under any flimsy pretext.
I don't understand, is it really difficult to write about the opinions of others within the bounds of decency? Stinger, look how correctly he reacted to the Captain's opinion.
Captain
