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if a person entered the Treasury with 16 grand, and most importantly, FOUND targets there.
And FINDING targets means he ACTUALLY FOUND them! Not just saw them after they were revealed. Isn't that clear? If he found them, it means he entered the Treasury NOT KNOWING what was there, as I assumed, with 16 grand, although no one else does that. And where is Stinger mentioned here? I don't even remember who they were talking about when they told the story about the 16 elves, and I absolutely don't care if it was Stinger or a "Horse in a Coat." I considered an abstract case.
Watch your mouth ;) . You can actually gain plenty of experience up to 112. Not up to rank 10, of course, but still stronger than the troglodytes in SoD.
At 112, troglodytes in 90++% of parties have rank zero. In the remaining 10--%, they have rank 1, which seems to add one point of defense to them.
One must keep an eye on what is being said. I'm saying it again, and no one will convince me otherwise. IF a player delves into a treasure chest WITHOUT knowing what's inside, with 16,000 gold, and then it turns out that a +6 all stats item is hidden there, waiting for them, then I think it's QUITE POSSIBLE that they looked at the map editor. ...
And here, I ask that the admins and moderators pay attention to this: unsubstantiated accusations of cheating should be punished no less severely than the cheating itself.
2SergeyY It is recommended to be more careful, as many of those banned for map hacking used this very excuse: everyone else is looking, and we're just less clever than them. Reasoning of this kind has never led anyone to anything good. SergeyY
And FINDING targets means exactly FINDING them! Not seeing these targets beforehand. Is that unclear? If he found them, it means he delved into the treasure chest WITHOUT knowing what was inside, as I assumed, with 16,000 gold, although no one else does that. And where is Stinger mentioned here? I don't even remember who they were talking about when they told the story about the 16 elves, and I absolutely don't care if it was Stinger or a horse in a coat. I considered an abstract case.
It's not that no one does it – only a few are capable of it, mostly the top players.
if a person enters a dungeon with 16 grand units and, most importantly, FINDS TARGETS there, and then doubts start to creep in... Most likely, he simply looked at the map in the editor or opened the save file.
The word "FOUND" targets means he DIDN'T KNOW what was there. In 99.999% of cases, such an expedition into a dungeon with 16 grand units will result in a waste of the hero's time. And is that, in your opinion, a reasonable move?
I haven't played TE, but I've heard that it always gives you 3 stacks. And in SoD, the Miner might only get 1 stack. So, the nerfed Miner is more prevalent in SoD.
Let's do the math...
In TE, the Miner gets 3 stacks of 20-25 Troglodytes each, plus a second hero with 20-30 Troglodytes, plus you can buy 16 Troglodytes.
In total, on level 111, you get 96-121 Troglodytes, averaging 108 Troglodytes.
In SoD, the Miner gets from 1 to 3 stacks of 30-40 Troglodytes each, averaging 2 stacks. In total, you get an average of 121 Troglodytes.
So, even with the average values, you get more. Plus, there's the chance of getting 3 stacks and the chance of getting a native hero. Usually, heroic captures of strong creatures and Mermaids on level 1 are done precisely because of such scenarios; the number of Troglodytes on level 111 can reach up to 216. In TE, you can only achieve this by using Pandors to get Troglodytes...
Yes, there's a chance of getting only 1 stack, but usually, people restart if that happens. Therefore, on average, the SoD Miner is much stronger than the TE Miner. This is also evident in the reports - there aren't any particularly outstanding heroic captures for him in TE battles, and his castle's strength rating is somewhere in the middle in the Dungeon.
Sergey, calm down.
You are making unsubstantiated accusations against a person whose reputation is beyond question. It exists, and that's an axiom. Smart people are pointing out that you are wrong, and you are still resisting.
Listen, you should really play the game. You don't have time to play, but you have time to create all this unnecessary fuss on the forum.
Is this, in your opinion, a reasonable move?
Unbelievable. Do a hundredth of what Stinger did, and then talk about what is reasonable. If you went to the Dungeon on the first day, it means you knew what you were doing.
The word "FOUND" for the target means he DIDN'T KNOW what was there. In 99.999% of cases, such a trip to the treasure zone with 16 Grandmasters results in a waste of time for the main hero. And do you consider that a smart play?
Where do you get such confident numbers? Just yesterday, I quite successfully went with Kirr into the treasure zone on the first month. I didn't, of course, beat a hundred Dendroids, but I easily took out a horde of Gremlins from a Dragon Fly Hive, and with the ducks, it's much more interesting. Besides, players of that level very rarely go into the unknown. I'm almost certain that at least a scout poked around there, if not a whole armada:)
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Firstly, these are not accusations, but personal doubts. I can think one way, and you can think another; it's your right. And it's freedom of speech.
Secondly, they are NOT UNSUBSTANTIATED, but quite the opposite – they are well-substantiated. Because going to the Treasury with 16 Elves, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S THERE, as I assumed, is simply a waste of time and (censored - mistake) in 99.999 percent of cases. And don't try to convince me that this isn't true, and that he did know what was there. If he knew, then he did the right thing, and I'm not talking about that case.
Thirdly, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, and I didn't mention any nicknames.
Wicc
How many times have I played as a Dwarven Excavator in SoD with other people, and NOT ONCE has a Dwarven Excavator come with 3 stacks of Troglodytes. And he comes with one stack more often than with two. That's why I got disappointed with both the Dwarven Excavator and the Dungeon. I play much better with Elves, and the pace is faster.
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Listen, you should really play... You say you don't have time for the game, but you have time to create all this unnecessary fuss on the forum.
I'm at work right now. Do you think it's possible to play Heroes at work? One thing is to play, and another is to occasionally check the page and write at a speed of 300 characters per minute. And I haven't had internet at home since January. If I did, I would play in the evening.
First of all — these are not accusations, but personal doubts. I can think this way and you can think otherwise, that's your right. And freedom of speech.
Secondly — they are NOT UNSUBSTANTIATED, but as substantiated as can be. Because going into the treasure zone with 16 Elves is simply a waste of time and a (censored-mistake) in 99.999 percent of cases.
Thirdly, I did not mean anyone in particular and did not name any nicknames.
Wicc
In all my time playing SoD as Dungeon with people, I HAVE NEVER ONCE gotten Dungeon with 3 stacks of Troglodytes. And it comes with one stack more often than with two. That's why I became disillusioned with both Dungeon and the Dungeon town. I find it much more enjoyable to play with Elves, and the pace is faster.
A personal opinion of a certain kind should be kept to oneself; once spoken aloud, it ceases to be personal and falls under the jurisdiction of the relevant authorities.
And, in general, reading your epistles, I'm starting to somewhat regret that money games in clubs have died out — you could have made a decent profit off of such homegrown "champions" who don't recognize any authorities. A couple hundred bucks put on the table would have made you look at many things differently.
It's one thing to "go first," and another thing entirely to go with 16 Elves! In the Treasury!! That's just ridiculous. What are we even arguing about? I'm just amazed. You could have had a much stronger stack assembled on the first week, hiding in the shadows.
I had 12 Grand Wizards, 45 Kentaur Archers, 9 Dryads, and a few Faeries.
In my opinion, this is a perfectly adequate set for a trip to the Treasury, especially if all the tasks on the native respawn points have already been completed. Let's scout around – that's already half the battle.
"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013] "Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014] "Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015] Сам ты фиш (с) :D
Well, considering Stinger's skill level, I don't think so...
Any skill level won't help. There are things that are so obvious that skill level doesn't matter. Once, when I was a child, someone tried to prove to me that a world chess champion could checkmate even with just a king and a bishop against a bare king.
SergeyY
