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As the name suggests, this is the place for any topic you want to discuss that doesn't fit into any of the existing categories. If you have something you want to talk about, or if something is bothering you and you need to vent, please use this thread instead of cluttering up other topics. However: The rules of the www.HeroesWorld.ru portal still apply, so please refrain from using profanity or insults. If you want to argue, go ahead, but that doesn't mean you can resort to personal attacks. HW has a reputation as a friendly community (in my opinion), so let's not ruin it with squabbles.
Profanity, flaming, and trolling will still be removed by moderators with appropriate warnings and penalty points. You're unlikely to see a lenient "off-topic" warning here.

I'll start.
Since I can write anything I want, I'll write what I'm thinking. I was wondering today why I'm so attached to HW and why I can't leave. And how did I get to this point... Usually, when such philosophical thoughts come to mind, and there's no glass of something nearby, a person goes back in time in their thoughts. :) So I did.
I remembered when I first came to the forum. There wasn't a good internet connection for online play, and I was a little hesitant after reading some of the posts. I was building a capital city at the time, and I looked down on those who played with four heroes and took more than two minutes per turn :D I went to the offline section – the shock of what they were doing there was replaced by the shock of the scandal with accusations against vbn... I looked at it, turned around, and left. Huge thanks to Lider1 and Айвенго for the kind words at that time. They basically kept me here. I remember the good things (It's great to have a chance to thank everyone publicly – it's good that there's a soapbox now :)).
Then there was the offline tournament, with Vlk. It was hilarious. Vlk was even annoyed that he wasn't told that he could use diplomacy :D
Then there was a long period of newbie online play... The same Vlk, a romantic at heart. Some crazy late-night battles with Kostyan... It was unbelievable what those two newbies were doing. I don't know about Kostyan, but I still remember the game where he took everything he could from me, and I, on my last breath, found a distant secondary dungeon, built it up to black dragons (!), and killed him with an armageddon spell :) I honestly can't tell you what month it was :D He probably got his revenge on me later. :) It was a great time. And we never argued, and we're still good friends. And in general, newbies didn't really argue with each other. I don't know why you guys are arguing with Vlk. I've never argued with him, even though we don't agree on everything. Maybe I'm missing a "fighting" screw... And the thought of getting angry at any of the "founding fathers" never even crossed my mind; they're like these... demigods :D
And now... Maybe I've developed that "fighting" screw, or maybe the newbies are just different now... Or maybe there are just more of them. Maxsleyuis just demoralized me. I learned so much new about myself – it's insane. He's now angry with me, and he and his group of friends (he called Soroka and some other unfamiliar nicknames) are laughing at my posts, discussing my personal life, counting how much time I spend on the forum and how much money I spend on the internet :D But hey, I don't mind, have fun, guys. He turned out to be a persistent guy, I deleted him from my contacts 10 times. Besha was just tapping me on the shoulder, wanting something... He was met with the words "What did you want, deer?" :) Besha, sorry, I didn't know you were there.
I would have quit everything a long time ago, and the moderation, and all this "upbringing," and just played poker quietly. The only thing that stops me is that normal guys like Deryael come along (I'm so glad to have him). And there are about 10 other absolutely adequate, normal people who came here not to argue, not to inflate some ratings, but to learn how to play Heroes at a decent level. I'll keep thinking that I'm doing the tournament for them and cleaning up your swearing and whining on the forum. That's what I can do, and that's what I'm doing.
Ugh, I think that's all, I've said my piece :)
And it doesn't matter if anyone read it or not... The soapbox is a good thing.
Just use it for its intended purpose

I'll start by saying that my opponent turned out to be absolutely brazen and dishonest! which really surprised me!
first, before the final battle he attacked my scout hero with troops! immediately cast Armageddon (that's when I found out he had it) but he didn't kill my troops outright in that battle! I write in the chat - let's do it differently, if we're going to attack on ГГ then at least let's warn each other! he replied that no one had ever warned him! I write - well, let's play it that way, it's not a big deal! he said OK! of course it's my mistake that I wrote it not in ICQ! but it's a matter of honesty!
Second, this person asked me in the in-game chat for a save file (apparently when he was attacking the Dragon Utopia)! I'm a kind person - of course I let him save, I don't mind! (although I myself took the max Dragon Utopia and left a large part of my troops there and didn't whine);)
And finally, thirdly - :D :D he posted some conversation in ICQ, but cut out the most important part for some reason :) that guy's a sly one, sly one! take a look at what he cut out-

Kindergarten :)
Guys, what kind of agreements are these "let's play without Armageddon"? :)
If you're going to make such an agreement, demand that they take the spellbook off the hero and put it in the backpack or something... But actually everything is fair - sure, you have more meat, but he has better stats and better magic, that's how it goes =) The game isn't only about building the biggest army, a creative approach is needed here.. And everything that isn't nailed down gets used, the Book of Fire is hardly the worst option. Good luck in your future games, but you lost this one, no matter how you look at it. For the future: when you make agreements with your opponent about non-aggression, not using magic, and such during the game - you do so at your own risk. The tournament/season judges are not responsible for your opponent.

And once again I ask - in the future, think about what can be posted on the forum and what is not advisable

Let me start by saying that the opponent turned out to be completely brazen and dishonest! That's what surprised me!
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I sympathize. But let this be a lesson. In Heroes, things aren't always fair, and almost everyone has had games or opponents that they don't want to remember. The lower the skill level, the dirtier the tactics.

P.S. Play only with trusted players with a positive reputation, and everything will be fine.

P.P.S. We're ending the off-topic discussion here; it doesn't need to be discussed here. There's nothing to discuss.
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Thanks, that was funny.

Plus, I'm not completely stupid.

I'm laughing out loud :)
no, dude, I think you're completely off.

sorry for the off-topic.

Well, I lost, so I lost! That's not the point! Just know that if I had realized he was actually going to cast Armageddon, I would have placed a sphere forbidding magic entirely (and I have one, since I took 3 Dragon Utopia lol) or in that case, I would have just wiped out his Phoenixes immediately and that' same it!! And wouldn't have let him do anything with Armageddon!
It just turned out unfair, that's all!
Anyway, thanks for reading this nonsense IMHO, you guys))))
And Shadow, learn how to play, noob!!!! and first of all, let them teach you some honesty! it's only a game)))))

I believe you can agree on anything if both players are willing – but if one party violates the agreement, they have violated rule 6 regarding fair play, and it is perfectly reasonable for the report not to be confirmed after that. Otherwise, it could lead to situations like this: you need to step away for half an hour, you ask your opponent to hold on in the battle, and when you return, your hero is already dead.

Agreements about changing the rules should be made before the game, not during it.

Any changes to the rules should be agreed upon before the game, not during it.

That's your opinion, but I'm sure that agreements should be kept regardless of when they were made.

That's your opinion, but I'm sure that agreements should be kept regardless of when they were made.

Are you sure that this agreement even existed? Based on what? The logs provided by the opponents are different, and what will the judge do in that case? And how will he even make such a decision: "A lost because B asked him not to use Armageddon, but he still used it anyway"?

Of course, agreements must be honored regardless of when they were made. But no self-respecting player would suggest changing the rules during the game (especially before the final battle).

Whether it existed or not is a different question; I didn't talk about it and didn't delve into the logs, to be honest. BUT if it did exist, then there's no need to downplay its significance, no "kindergarten" talk. How people play is their business; let them play with just one hero, as long as it's by mutual consent. By the way, this is in accordance with the rules.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Was there mutual consent? Of course, let them play with just one hero. And then they complain that the opponent has two. And let the admins study the logs for each such case. Kindergarten is kindergarten, but there's so much swearing there – I rarely hear that much from adults.

I sympathize with AK, but it's their responsibility. And that's exactly what it was created for.

AK won't delve too deeply into such issues. Let's set the result to 0-0 and let them know how arguing over trivial things feels. If arguing over such nonsense, while using profanity, leads to this, then it's better not to play Heroes at all, as it will be detrimental to one's health.

I sympathize with AK, but it's their responsibility. But that's exactly what it was created for.

Can you suggest a solution yourself? :)
One says "they agreed," the other says "no," and both confirm it with logs. It's easy to point a finger and say, "you said/did it wrong," but how should it be done correctly? Everyone has high and pure moral principles, but we won't even bother reading the logs; let someone else deal with it, and we'll criticize them afterward.

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Well... in principle, I was moved by the last post by shadow of the homeless, and what about you? :)

But, for the future - adhering to agreements (whether verbal or written) is a matter of prestige and reputation, and that is more important than the result of the game, the rating...

Kash, hey, thanks.
And also, please don't think I'm being too forward,
but I have a small idea on how to resolve such conflicts,
(I understand that they mainly occur with new players, but still)
so here's my idea (with pictures):
1. The player filing the complaint doesn't publish anything; instead, they immediately contact the judge via ICQ or wherever they're supposed to,
and only give them the logs, save files, and other evidence and claims.
2. The judge contacts the opponent via ICQ: "Hey, buddy, someone's complaining about you:smile30:
We'll punish the offender, but first, send us the ICQ logs and save files."
3. The opponent, happy to cooperate, sends everything:smile03:
4. The judge:smile10:
5. Justice prevails:smile44:

Because right now, one person publishes logs, the other reads them, edits them, and publishes their own.
If this is a worthwhile idea, please refine it and post it in the thread with reports,
or in the thread with the rules.
In the thread with the rules, just include a link to this inactive thread and the ICQ contact for general questions.
Post Kash's ICQ there, or whoever handles this,
because, as it turns out, not everything can be published.

Maybe in a year or two, when I have

a lot of prestige and a good reputation:smile04:

I'll be able to participate in resolving such problems:smile16:
because my innate desire for justice keeps me awake until two in the morning:smile35: