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16 years ago
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OUTLAW

On turn 121, I disconnected... I went back online and messaged my opponent, but he didn't respond... He ignored subsequent messages.
After that, I opened the save file.
Congratulations on your honest admission of unfair play :D

6. Fair Play
The most important point: players must play fairly and respect each other. It is forbidden to use cheat codes and all kinds of "bugs". Also, it is forbidden to open save files and reveal the map in the editor before the end of the game. The game is considered finished when one player has completely destroyed the other, or one of them has surrendered, which must be confirmed via ICQ. Only after this is it allowed to open save files.

A person may not respond on ICQ for various reasons, but opening save files before the end of the game is a direct path to receiving a "Cheater Mark of Shame."
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Congratulations on your sincere confession of cheating :D

6. Fair Play
The most important point: players must play fairly and respect each other. It is forbidden to use cheat codes and all sorts of "bugs." Also, it is forbidden to open save files and reveal the map in the editor before the end of the game. The game is considered finished when one player has completely destroyed the other, or one of them has surrendered, which must be confirmed via ICQ. Only after this is it allowed to open save files.

A person may not respond on ICQ for various reasons, but opening save files before the end of the game is a direct path to receiving the "Cheater of the Month" award.

Naive simplicity. I spoke with Igor, and everything is correct!!!
There were controversial moments in my games with Timofey, but they can be resolved...
I had a similar situation with some other individuals...
Disconnection - I write what happened??? - he is silent (he is the opponent in online and Hamachi too) - I say that I will step away for a few minutes (I am sitting here, waiting for an answer) - after 30 minutes, or even an hour, he writes that he lost, there are no prospects!!!
What should I call this??? Respect to Igor, Wlk is just another "ai-ya-ya-ya." It's not your business to judge
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Naive simplicity. I talked to Igor, and everything is correct!!!
There were controversial moments in my games with Timofey, but they can be resolved...
I had a similar situation with some other players...
Disconnect - I write what happened??? - he's silent (he's the opponent in online and Hamachi too) - I say that I'll step away for a few minutes (I'm sitting here, waiting for a response) - after 30 minutes, or even an hour, he writes that he lost, there's no chance!!!
What should I call this??? Respect to Igor, Vlk is just another disappointment. It's none of your business.
You know, Roman, Outlaw reminds me of the USA - he considers his suspicions about others to be sufficient for accusations, while he openly violates the rules and gets away with it. Regarding the situation - I understand everything perfectly - I've played with Timofey many times and know that he often gets distracted from the game and from ICQ, and there are reasons for that, believe me. The fact that some people constantly perceive events from an accusatory position is their problem - but no one allowed them to violate the rules and open saves. Regarding "it's none of my business" - and then they accuse me of shutting other people up =).
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What prevents him from warning that he needs to step away for a while? At least everyone, including myself, usually warns when they need to leave. No one just leaves without saying a word for a few hours.
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What prevents him from warning that he has to leave for a while? At least everyone, including me, usually warns when they need to leave. No one just leaves for hours without saying a word.
And what, is this a reason to examine the save files before the game is over? :confused:
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Given the numerous instances of unfinished games, the existing rules will be amended to eliminate cases where one of the players intentionally fails to complete a game. Proposed algorithm for handling such situations: 1. In the "Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments" thread, the interested player (Plaintiff) describes the situation. 2. From the moment the Plaintiff describes the subject of the dispute, the other player (Defendant) has 30 (thirty) days to complete the game. 3. The Defendant indicates their readiness to start the game in the aforementioned thread and specifies the time when they can finish it. 4. If the Plaintiff disagrees with the time specified by the Defendant, they propose their own. 5. If an agreement on the time to complete the game cannot be reached, the Appeals Committee (AC) sets a time (weekend) for both parties and monitors compliance with the agreement. Depending on which party fulfills (or fails to fulfill) the agreement, the AC awards the victory to one of the parties. 6. If the Defendant does not respond with a time to complete the game within 15 (fifteen) days after the Plaintiff's statement in the specified thread regarding the subject of the dispute, the AC awards the victory to the Plaintiff. 7. Players are prohibited from opening save files until either: a) the AC has made a decision on the disputed game; b) the game has been completed amicably. Players are requested to express their comments and suggestions on this topic.
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Dubrovin Pavel
Given the numerous instances of unfinished games, the existing rules will be amended to eliminate cases where one of the players intentionally fails to complete a game.

Proposed Algorithm for action in these situations:
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2. From the moment the Claimant describes the subject of the Dispute, the other Player (Respondent) has 30 (thirty) days to complete the game.
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6. In the event that the Respondent does not respond regarding the time to complete the game within 15 (fifteen) days after the Claimant's statement in the specified Topic regarding the subject of the dispute, the Victory is awarded to the Claimant.

Players are requested to express their comments and suggestions on this topic.

Overall +1.

2. From the moment the game is saved to the moment the claim is filed, at least one week must pass. Moreover, if the claimant does not attempt to negotiate a completion of the game during this time, the claim will not be accepted.
...14 days (instead of 30) from the moment the respondent confirms that they have been notified of the claim.

6. ...7 days (instead of 15).

Another point: if the respondent warned before the start of the game that they do not know when they will be able to finish it (and the game was started), the claim will not be accepted.

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OUTLAW
OUTLAW(red, Swamp, Westan, Westan) def temofey(blue, Castle, Waleska, Gundula), 2SM4d(3), 1-2-1
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On turn 121 - disconnect on my side....I go online - I write to my opponent - he is silent....He ignores subsequent messages.
After that, I open the saves - and his Gundula died on mummies at the end of the week, there are no more powerful units, in Castle they would be building horses, but there is nothing to counter 2 angels + full growth with a bonus from the opponent's reserves on turn 122......
I believe it is fair to post this game, because after the time spent by both sides, at least you can answer questions in ICQ....


It's "good" that the opponent lost, but what if he didn't? Of course, the probability is lower that the opponent is doing well and he simply, for example, received a phone call and urgently needs to leave. But it still exists...
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16 years ago
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Isn't it time to end this substantial discussion about save files and return to the topic of analyzing saves after the game is finished?
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16 years ago
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Regarding unfinished games, I'll say a few words...
I just don't like playing from saves, that's all. Regardless of the situation.
There are a lot of abandoned games. I remember one where, on a CM map, I had 3 angel stacks in my reserve. Of course, I'd like to finish it... But my opponent asked to postpone it, then disappeared and quit Heroes altogether. And am I supposed to post that? Lol, never. Maybe I just have the wrong attitude towards ratings and all that, I just play for fun, like a child - I don't know.
Dialogue with Kostya:
- Hey, stop sleeping, when are we going to finish the game?
- O_O Were we even playing something?
- Yeah, I think I was playing Valkyrie, and you were playing Shakti.
- Ah... I was still running around in the consulate... Listen, let's just ditch it?
- I'm already in a bad position, I was playing while drinking beer...
- Well, even more reason. Let's start over.
For either of us to post something... It's just unimaginable.
I'm not saying everyone should do it this way, I just really don't understand: are you playing to win at all costs? This is all off-topic.
In my opinion, Outlaw was wrong to reveal the saves without waiting for his opponent's explanation. That's just my opinion.

Please don't start a flame war in this thread, I don't get any pleasure from deleting it, as it might seem. Just express yourselves like adults.

P.S. Pit asked me not to touch anything in this thread for now, so write whatever you want, I don't care
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16 years ago
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He started all this nonsense himself; you could have figured it out yourselves.
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16 years ago
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Why is the accuracy/inaccuracy of save file analysis still being debated? :eek: It's obvious that this shouldn't be done; I don't know what happened. Maybe the person simply ran out of money on their internet account, and their connection was cut off while their hero was in battle, which was then interpreted as a loss... :rolleyes:

Ideally, in such cases, the save file can always be given to a third party (someone from the AC) to examine and provide a verdict.

And ideally, one should wait for an explanation from the opponent first.
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16 years ago
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They say it right – until thunder strikes...
I’ve been meaning to create rules about this for a while now. Similar situations happen very often with us, and it's unclear what to do.

The summary is as follows.
I. Regarding the match between OUTLAW vs temofey, AK will make the decision. We are ending the discussion on the forum. Everything is clear anyway. But AK needs a couple of days to have a quorum.
II. We discuss the rule regarding replaying matches.


Situation: A match was interrupted for some reason. There were no prior agreements on the timing of the replay. The continuation involves the opponent not responding in ICQ or responding that they don't have time to replay at the moment, etc....

Proposed algorithm of actions in Pavel's message /topic/at/336193/.

A. How long do we chase after him independently?
1-2-3 weeks?

Then we write in this topic - explaining the situation. We send the link to the opponent in ICQ and PM.
2. From the moment the Claimant describes the subject of the Dispute, the other Player (Respondent) has 30 (thirty) days to replay the Match.
B. How much time is needed to replay? 2-3-4 weeks?
They agree and replay – good. If they can’t agree, AK sets the time.
6. In the event that the Respondent does not respond regarding the time to replay the Match within 15 (fifteen) days after the Claimant makes a statement in the specified Topic on the subject of the dispute, AK awards Victory to the Claimant.
C. How much time do we give here – 1-2 weeks?

My answers:
A. 1 week
B. 2 weeks
C. 2 weeks
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16 years ago
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My answers:
A. 1 week
B. 2 weeks
C. 2 weeks
+1. Is it even worth voting on technical questions like this...?
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Pit for LM

II. We discuss the rules for rematches.[/B][/COLOR]

My answers:
A. 1 week
B. 2 weeks
C. 2 weeks

Same here.
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16 years ago
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I don't care.
Anyway, I'll forget how long I can run around without consequences from Spirit, and I don't have the habit of reading the rules for every occasion.

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