Posts from Club championship of the CIS countries.

They vote, either here or via ICQ – wherever they would like to play the final of the club championship. The city that receives the most votes hosts the final, and the organizer takes care of all the arrangements for the tournament, meeting guests, providing accommodation, and judging the final.

I vote for Kyiv.

Made changes to my post. Added Bayazet to the finalists and included three finalists from Kingisepp.

2 Sticky.

The selection process in Moscow fell through. I really wanted to participate.

It was also unexpected for me. It seems like everything is there - a large number of players, glorious traditions, and organizers.

2 Forrest.

I'm voting for Kyiv.

Noted.

More messages. Currently, there are 2 candidates – Kyiv and Michurinsk.
Surprisingly, neither Kingisepp nor St. Petersburg are among the candidates to host the final.

Cobra also raised the issue of discussing the templates to be used for the final in advance. Apparently, this is important.
It seems that at least 5 templates are needed. We are clarifying the list of templates.

It takes a long time to get to Kingisepp, and the atmosphere there is more conducive to friendly gatherings than to a serious tournament. Plus, access to computers is only available in the evening and at night, and people haven't brought laptops in large numbers there. St. Petersburg is theoretically suitable, but in practice, I don't know who would organize it – I don't want to, and I'm also representing Kyiv.

Out of the options presented so far (Kyiv and Michurinsk), I vote for Michurinsk, as it would be more convenient for me in reality...

Currently, there are two votes for Kyiv – Forrest and Aldegir. Two votes for Michurinsk – Lexa and Term. The remaining finalists are still deciding. The honored guests are also divided, with some ready to travel to Michurinsk and others to Kyiv. The most challenging situation is for the Siberian and Yekaterinburg players – the journey is long. Regardless of where the final takes place, we must definitely help these people. There is also an idea to invite four people who have made a significant contribution to the development of the Heroes community to the final – Alan Prosta, Lord Maniak, Horn, and Chaos. Many players don't even know these wonderful people. Without them, there would have been practically no club movement.

The most difficult situation is for the players from Siberia and Yekaterinburg – the journey is long and expensive. No matter where the final takes place, we definitely need to help these people.

We discussed this issue. Traveling to both places is time-consuming and costly. We regret the time more than the money. Therefore, we decided that the winner of our qualifying round will be the one who can find the money and time. I think Vlad (Logistik) will come; he is always up for it. :D

We discussed this issue. Traveling to both locations would be time-consuming and expensive. We value time even more than money. Therefore, we decided that the one from our qualifying round who can find the money and time will go. I think Vlad (Logistik) will come; he's always up for it. :D

If (that is, when) the final takes place in Kyiv, I will personally help the Siberians and a couple of others who need assistance with a smooth trip to Kyiv.)))
I'm following the voting!!!:smile08:

I'm not going to stay silent; I've read the posts and have a question: is the community actually ready for the finals? Is it even needed, given the minimal activity? Will players from Kyiv travel to Russia, and vice versa? If so, how many? Regarding Siberia, the possibility of traveling to the finals was discussed back in Barnaul. Dirty is right; those who can will go. Here's a general logistical overview – round-trip costs and timeframes for May 1-9:
1. Novosibirsk-Kyiv: only by plane with a layover in Moscow, 15,000-30,000 rubles.
2. Novosibirsk-Moscow: by train (50 hours), 5,500-14,000 rubles; by plane, 10,000-15,000 rubles.
3. Novosibirsk-St. Petersburg: by train (61 hours), 8,000-20,000 rubles; by plane, 11,000-15,000 rubles.
4. Novosibirsk-Michurinsk (as far as I understand, in the Tambov region): the same as Moscow + 1,500-2,000 rubles.
Honestly, I really want to go, especially to St. Petersburg or Moscow (to see the city, theaters, museums, basically combine business with pleasure; to my shame, I haven't been to either place), but no one is offering anything:(. Kyiv is the most expensive option, although I'm sure there's a lot to see there. Michurinsk is the most realistic, although, strangely enough, it takes the longest to get there :D. So, for now, the question is on hold for me personally. The key factors in deciding whether or not to go will be: having the time and money, the location, and the number of participants (I really want to join the legendary Heroes community :smile41:). So, decide, gentlemen, and we (the Siberians) will do everything we can to come.

I vote for Kyiv or any other city that can comfortably accommodate a crowd or even a gathering of Heroes players, like Minsk or King's did.

Added 7 minutes later
Suggestions for the event from a participant in the final stage: dates from May 1st to 9th (or May 5th to 9th), a country cottage for accommodation (for those concerned about the cost, it's much more economical than hotels! - as it was in Minsk), the only downside is that you need to bring your own laptops or rent them. Number of participants: 16-24, double elimination, the version doesn't matter, 5 map templates (См-ка, MM6, Jebus, 8x12, 6lm10), the rest is not important.

In Kyiv, there lives a true hero – he hosted four people, including Beshu :) – this is Craig Heck. But I think that the price of 200 UAH for an apartment = /8 = $25 is a bit low, right? There are many such apartments available – they can accommodate up to four people. That is, about $6 per person per night. I myself probably won't be there for the May holidays – I always go to the sea during that time, but Sem-56 will be there, plus there are a few other Kyiv residents (Gorbik, Volodymyr) – and I promise to prepare everything so that all the guests in Kyiv feel comfortable and can play and explore the city. I have enough time for that :) P.S. (I'll brag). By the way, who else remembers what started the whole fuss with the club tournament? ;) Sem and I decided to organize such a gathering in Kyiv – Nagan picked up the idea and expanded it to the CIS... The initial idea was Kyiv's. So, you are welcome to visit us!

2 Van.

I'm not sleeping, so I'll speak my mind too; I read the posts and a question has ripened: in general, are people ready to hold the final, do they even want it??? Because activity is minimal. Will Kievans travel to the RF and vice versa, and if so, in what numbers? \

Good question, which requires a good, detailed answer. So, here it is – the group that has gathered will go play for several reasons.
1. The human factor. Players are special people; an adult man leaves his family and spends a lot of money to travel to the middle of nowhere to play his favorite game. And if you consider that the person has a chance to win and be considered the best club player in the CIS – then all the more so. Even if a player understands that he won't win the tournament – competing with the best of the best will still be a great incentive for him.
2. The material factor. Of course, Heroes is not poker; you won't make money on it. But let's say players chip in a couple thousand each, and a sponsor provides roughly the same amount (more on that below). Yes, the sum turns out to be much larger than what was at the CIS Championship in Krasnodar back in 2004. Besides the title of best player, the person receives a monetary incentive, which is not bad by Heroes standards.
3. The social factor. Almost all players are active on the forums. They will undoubtedly not miss out on an advantage, and if this advantage coincides with the public good, they will put in effort for the benefit of the same community.
Since 2004, we have had no legitimate champion. Those who saw how Andre in Krasnodar
knocked out Phil in the quarterfinals, Bishop in the semifinals, and Dima in the final – recounted these games with excitement. "The winner gets lucky" – they said about Andre, but no one questioned that he was the best.
Now there is the internet, there are own champions. But who can guarantee that the most glorious, kindest guy isn't a cunning, smart, cautious cheater? Of course, you can write about conscience, trust, and the insignificance of results... but then explain why such a vicious war flared up on the first inter-portal among the best players of Bay and Portal? It was gruesome to read.
Even those who don't post on the forum write about cheating in ICQ. I looked at my own ICQ – if you believe the messages from people who are by no means suffering from maniacal suspicion – then almost all leading CIS players would end up on the cheaters list; only Stinger and Paladin weren't mentioned.

This situation seems abnormal to me. There is no escaping problems related to cheating. But if there is a legitimate champion, even the most talented cheater won't be able to claim too much, because to confirm their status, they will have to participate in face-to-face games.
They will be pressed: "Hey brother, prove your skill at the CIS championship!".

I got distracted. Approximately 70 people participated in about 6 qualifiers. It might not seem like many for the CIS, but the main thing is that the psychological barrier of disbelief in the event has been broken.
Because probably an equal number of people really wanted to go, but were simply afraid to take the risk. High costs, what if the tournament fails and I travel for nothing, nowhere to live, etc. Now, when so many responses have been received from participants of the events, they are very envious and regret not coming. And if they find out there will be a second regional tournament – they will definitely go.

Therefore, players will be ready to play in Kiev or Michurinsk, and if they can also do a service for the community at the same time – then all the better. Eh, if only it weren't for poker.

To be honest, I really want to go, especially to St. Petersburg or Moscow (to see the city, theaters, museums, in short, combine pleasure with business; to my shame, I've been to neither), but something isn't being offered, Kiev is the most expensive option, although I'm sure there's plenty to see there, Michurinsk is the most realistic, though, strangely enough, it takes the longest to get to. So for now, personally, the question is on pause; the key in deciding whether to go or not will be: availability of time, money, venue and quorum (I really want to join the legends of the heroes community), so please decide, gentlemen, and we (Siberians) will make every effort to come.\

The ideal final option from all sides would have been St. Petersburg. It was in this city that the organized Heroes movement began, the first club tournaments appeared, and the first "fathers" emerged from the people. There are currently more St. Petersburg residents among players than anywhere else, and there are many of them in the final too. Not to mention that St. Petersburg itself is a city from another dimension. Kiev is beautiful, Moscow is rich, but in St. Petersburg you get drunk even
from the air. I've been there 5 times already, and every time I'm ready to walk through the city for hours.
Players from Yekaterinburg or Siberia would have recouped their costs by this alone; the impressions would last a very long time. Alas, it didn't work out.
To be honest, players from far away should vote for Kiev. The city is ancient, very beautiful, especially in May. There will be something to remember later, and one doesn't regret spending money on such a trip.
In Michurinsk you won't see anything; it's a provincial town of 100 thousand, a science city, all in white bloom in May... that's it.

I would really like to withdraw my candidacy specifically in favor of Kiev, and it would be easier for the players not to waste time choosing.
And one more thing. I have great respect for Aldegir; he is one of the people who love Heroes most fanatically; despite financial and family troubles, he broke away and won the Kiev qualifier. He honestly wrote that he can only play in Kiev.
And Sam, a wonderful guy, really wanted to see Heroes tournaments in his city; for this alone it would be worth giving a vote to the capital of Ukraine.
Processing passports for Ukraine. I nearly fell off my chair when I first heard about this, but 14 players from Russia will need to process documents for the trip. However, there is time, people are all literate – if they want to, they'll get them; it's not a problem.

I see the problem elsewhere.
1. Among the organizers from Kiev, Captain, Gorbik, Sam, and Volodimer are named.
I have no doubt that organizational activities will be at a high level and that Gorbik will provide maximum assistance. But then the tournament starts and... Captain won't be there. He honestly said that family is dearer to him and he is going on vacation with them. I completely agree; nothing is more important than family. No matter what he writes, it will be so and he knows it well.

So, we will have a powerful layer of Bay-poker players on one side and the remaining organizers on the other. What stops the guests from culturally walking around the city on the first day – arrival day – and then sitting down to play poker until they drop in the evening, until morning?
The morning of the second tournament day. Everyone is sleeping. I don't know how Sam, who has just met the great fathers of the Heroes world in person, truly bright people, will wake them up in the morning. The phrase: "Guys, get up, we need to play" – doesn't work on same community players at all. It's proven that if you don't wake them, they'll get up around three or four in the afternoon, eat leisurely, walk some more through the city... and back to poker.
Will the respected Gorbik be waking them? They will tell him their vision of the Portal when a sleep-deprived person is woken up; he is in a foul mood.

The gift of persuasion is a rare gift; I remember how Horn woke us up for a tournament in St. Petersburg at 7 am, although we had only slept about three hours. Alan Prost would drive around all the guests at the crack of dawn and wake them early in the morning in Krasnodar. You need great character and great patience for that. One could write a story about how different players were woken up in different cities, from different tournaments in such situations, but one cannot: it would come out vulgar, laughter through tears.

I would be very ashamed to read something like this report from the final:
"I think that player X won the CIS club championship final because he has two wins out of two. In second place, in my opinion, is player Y, who should have scored 2 out of 3, because he would have won the third if he had finished playing. And in third – perhaps player Z, who didn't finish a single game at all, but took more from poker than anyone else".

Simply a beautiful city, friendly conversation in a good pub and omnipresent poker will kill any desire for players to fight.

That is, the final will turn into just a friendly meeting, like Kingisepp. In principle, such a meeting can be held without a tournament, simply inviting players to see the city of Kiev. Ideally, one could agree with such an option; it's not the worst. People met, chatted in person, played some games. The other thing is that the title of champion under such a scenario will not be very weighty.
There will be too many angry voices: "Yeah, champion, right, he only won two games!".

2. Finally, thoughts reached the sponsors. Calculating the situation, I came to the conclusion that no normal person with money will give us this money. He couldn't care less about gratitude from the same community or advertising his firm on Heroes forums.
Only a person who plays Heroes themselves can give money, or a father, mother, brother, other close relatives encouraging their offspring's hobbies. Well, or a very good friend, because such money never returns with interest.

Then I started looking for options of who might actually be interested in cooperation with the same community, excluding sects and criminal organizations. Strangely enough, I found a truly good potential partner, respectable in any light, interested in the development of the Heroes movement, needing such tournaments and players. In return, we can get a sponsor; moreover, an exit to the multimedia level. Imagine a large report in a major magazine about our final, with colorful photographs, interviews with winners, etc. And, say, analytical articles by Vic and other same community authors in the press.
No, this isn't some pipe dream; with proper presentation it should work.
You can't write a letter to a sponsor in an uncertain spirit, like: "We kind of want to play Heroes, idk who will come and what will happen there, give us money...". We'll just be told off, politely.

But if you write a specific package of proposals: "Dear Mr. ___________, with great respect for _______(name of potential ally and sponsor), we offer you mutually beneficial cooperation. The association of NoMM3 players, including the strongest players of four leading forums of CIS countries (HeroesWorld, HeroesBy, HeroesWorld and HeroesLeague) in the city of _______ on May 1-5, 2010 is holding the final of the CIS championship for NoMM3. Previously held qualifiers in the cities of _________ revealed winners who..."

In general, further official blah-blah-blah. Perhaps our tournaments, our wonderful authors, our more or less organized community can indeed be a good investment that one wouldn't mind sponsoring.

I can write such a thing, and with a high degree of probability it will work, but what happens next?
In my own Michurinsk, I know that I will hold the final and that sponsors will be satisfied with the end result. And in Kiev? I bet the tournament will turn into a fizzle, everyone happy except me – the sponsor will take a hatchet to my head...
I could ask, for example, Captain to write such a letter – I don't mind. A tournament in Kiev – let's say, loses its sparring match to poker; arriving sponsors observe lazily strolling poker players. They realize they were invited to watch the relaxation of lounging people, they spit, and we lose the only possible ally.

I've written a whole sheet. I ask you not to attack me, but to actually calculate the situation, especially those who know tournament weekdays.
In any case, Kiev so Kiev, Michurinsk so Michurinsk; it's impossible to get everything from life, and the qualifying tournaments played their positive role, so I didn't try in vain.

2 Capitan

A real hero lives in Kiev - he took in 4 people, including Besha - that is Craig Heck.\

I had 8 people living with me at the qualifier. Horn also had about seven people in his apartment at his tournaments.

It seems that after carefully considering the situation and reading VAM RADA's post a couple of times, I've come to the conclusion that I'm voting for Michurinsk!!!
There isn't a similar organizer in Kyiv with enough experience to hold such an important event!!!
There's already a small plan, a lot of ideas, and suggestions. But no matter how you look at it, the main thing is missing: meticulous planning and genuine respect to wake up the "father" at 7 a.m.)))

I will personally come to Michurinsk, even without any questions; I've already found out the costs. I can bring the hero's cup; I have a sketch, and it can be made quite inexpensively if we don't add gold)))

I'm ready to help the guys with the trip to your region and even with the prize fund. I want to show at least some respect for what I've been spending part of my time on for the past year and a half.

I'm ready to accept a significant portion of rotten tomatoes for your absurd post, but this is my opinion, and I won't give it up. With respect, SEM_56(((

The tournament in Kyiv – let's say, a sparring match loses to poker; the sponsors who came observe poker players leisurely strolling around. They realize that they were invited to watch people relaxing, they get annoyed, and we lose our only possible ally.

I don't quite understand why a parallel was drawn between Kyiv and poker? :confused:
No one played poker last time.

And the fact that Kyiv is beautiful and you can relax there – I don't think that's a negative for the city, as a venue for the CIS final.

I didn't quite understand why a parallel was drawn between Kyiv and poker? :confused:
No one played poker last time.

And the fact that Kyiv is beautiful and you can relax there – I don't think that's a negative for the city, as a venue for the CIS final.

In Kyiv, everything was simple – if you couldn't play, you got a technical defeat. :)
Besha even managed to get two technical defeats. The same system will be in place at the final (hopefully). So, poker players who want to exchange the title of the best Heroes player in the CIS for a poker game should think carefully (and everyone has a good head ;) ).