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Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.
I agree – let's keep the current composition. Revising the composition – well, no more than once a year – and even then, only if someone from the Arbitration Committee gets completely absorbed in real life...
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes: Лидер клана "Из многих единое" Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
What are you talking about! Of course, we should keep the current team! I want to express my sincere gratitude to all members of the AK; we know that you work hard for all of us!
Nagan-4
16 years ago
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Agreed — keep the current lineup. Review of the lineup — no more than once a year at most, and even then only for the reason that one of the AC members might finally get fully absorbed by real life...
What talk is this! Of course keep the current lineup! I want to express my great gratitude once again to all members of the AC, we know you work hard for all of us!
The main thing is, they don't rub anyone the wrong way; they work. I'm on the World less often now, but I see that the tournaments are running normally, new people are coming in. Leave it as is.
AK has chosen a very wise position as a gray cardinal :). That is, there is some activity, but it is not visible.
The main thing in this matter is that the next undertaking does not go beyond the scope of AK due to the efforts of those dissatisfied with its decision.
Keep the current composition of the Advisory Committee!!!
Wlk777
16 years ago
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Dear sirs and madams, a very unpleasant situation has arisen for me. One player saw in a screenshot that the map editor was open during an online game and, based on this, confidently concluded that I am a map hacker. Since he has already started spreading this information in ICQ (I found out by chance, otherwise I wouldn't have written here until he made these accusations in the forum or publicly), I state with full responsibility that, indeed, sometimes during online games, I look at PREVIOUSLY generated maps out of curiosity – to see why the opponent took a rest and what the map is like (for this, I always delete some maps from the "random maps" folder, and the last generated map has the highest number, and I NEVER look at it). It also happens that the editor is open all day before the game starts, and I forget about it. I will not engage in further arguments and discussions on this matter (although I suspect that this accuser will dwell on this topic for a long time), I hope that everyone who needs to will draw the right conclusions. I understand that the issue here is trust; if anyone feels it necessary not to play with me after this, it is their right.
6. Fair Play The most important point: players must play fairly and respect each other. It is forbidden to use cheat codes and all sorts of "bugs." Also, it is forbidden to open save files and open the map in the editor before the end of the game. The game is considered finished when one player has completely destroyed the other or one of them has surrendered, which must be confirmed via ICQ. Only after this is it allowed to open save files.
In this paragraph, it means that it is forbidden to open the CURRENT map on which the game is currently being played. Therefore, it is permissible to open any other map. It is impossible to tell from the screenshot which map was opened. However, if there are any disputes, suspicions, or unclear save files later on, this screenshot will clearly not be in favor of the accused!
That's all I have to say about the situation. In general, it is not worth looking for excuses in advance until there is an accusation.
Oelm
16 years ago
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Leave it as is.
Земля нуля. Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
maxlewis
16 years ago
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CASH IS A BEAUTIFUL BOSS!!! 404520040 (14:55:05 30/12/2009) EniK (13:43:56 30/12/2009) *** well, I can't play EniK (13:44:23 30/12/2009) I'm not at home and I don't have internet
busy
404520040 (16:14:46 30/12/2009) 404520040 (14:55:05 30/12/2009) EniK (13:43:56 30/12/2009) *** well, I can't play EniK (13:44:23 30/12/2009) I'm not at home and I don't have internet
404520040 (16:14:47 30/12/2009) hello
Kash (16:14:56 30/12/2009) Hello. So what?
404520040 (16:15:00 30/12/2009) see, we agreed
404520040 (16:15:14 30/12/2009) she says she doesn't have internet and won't play
404520040 (16:15:28 30/12/2009) another guy disappeared, we agreed yesterday, I even didn't go to volleyball
404520040 (16:15:33 30/12/2009) he didn't come online
Kash (16:15:40 30/12/2009) who?
404520040 (16:15:44 30/12/2009) nikpro
404520040 (16:15:52 30/12/2009) nick 123 or something
Kash (16:16:00 30/12/2009) and what exactly do you want from me?
404520040 (16:16:07 30/12/2009) give me a point over Enik, she's online but doesn't want to play
Kash (16:16:15 30/12/2009) no
404520040 (16:16:15 30/12/2009) then I'm in 1st place
404520040 (16:16:18 30/12/2009) why not
Kash (16:16:19 30/12/2009) any other questions?
Kash (16:16:28 30/12/2009) I don't award technicals
404520040 (16:16:33 30/12/2009) do you think that's fair?
404520040 (16:16:33 30/12/2009) ?
404520040 (16:16:40 30/12/2009) you only judge by the rules*
Kash (16:16:40 30/12/2009) yes
404520040 (16:16:41 30/12/2009) ?
Kash (16:16:44 30/12/2009) yes
Kash (16:16:49 30/12/2009) but it's the same for everyone
404520040 (16:16:52 30/12/2009) and what about the Horde of the Evil Eye?
404520040 (16:17:00 30/12/2009) explain if you're so righteous
404520040 (16:17:01 30/12/2009) ?
Kash (16:17:07 30/12/2009) and what are your problems - I don't get it at all
Kash (16:17:17 30/12/2009) you made it to the playoffs, be happy
404520040 (16:17:20 30/12/2009) I read the forum, you can't change your mind, it's unmanly
404520040 (16:17:36 30/12/2009) if rules, then B Rest didn't deserve it
404520040 (16:17:43 30/12/2009) and you know it, but you gave it to him
404520040 (16:18:09 30/12/2009) you change your mind like a woman
Kash (16:18:10 30/12/2009) not me, but Soroka
404520040 (16:18:14 30/12/2009) and what does he have to do with it
404520040 (16:18:23 30/12/2009) he should have chosen rests and gone to hell
404520040 (16:18:28 30/12/2009) should have written a report that he lost
404520040 (16:18:31 30/12/2009) and you supported him
404520040 (16:18:39 30/12/2009) no respect for you, anyone will say that
Kash (16:18:45 30/12/2009) they played with Soroka. they asked me: IS THIS A BLOCK? I said: YES
404520040 (16:18:48 30/12/2009) now you're also acting wrong
Kash (16:19:05 30/12/2009) you are disqualified from the tournament
404520040 (16:19:12 30/12/2009) well, keep flip-flopping, people will respect you for that
Kash (16:19:14 30/12/2009) for disrespect towards the organization
404520040 (16:19:43 30/12/2009) and why should I respect you? you're acting like a loser
The previous post was written in the tournament thread, I decided to move it here. I cannot leave it unanswered, because I was insulted (attempted, let's say) publicly. It's one thing when such squeaking goes on in ICQ from morning till night, another thing when it surfaces on the forum. Leaving it deleted is also not an option - an abuse of power, no matter how you look at it. A bit of background on my communication with this user, so my attitude towards him is clearer.
maxlewis came in as a replacement, who he replaced I don't remember anymore. The first game was with mals. Here are the logs sent by mals:
move now maxlewis (19:17:16 20/12/2009) faster maxlewis (19:17:19 20/12/2009) pls maxlewis (19:20:21 20/12/2009) I'm fu***** tired of waiting for you mals (19:20:39 20/12/2009) I'm fighting maxlewis (19:20:45 20/12/2009) make a move maxlewis (19:20:51 20/12/2009) I'm fu***** maxlewis (19:23:21 20/12/2009) am I supposed to wait for your battles all my life mals (19:23:26 20/12/2009) what's the problem, I don't get it, there are rules, I play by the rules maxlewis (19:23:31 20/12/2009) either make a move or I quit maxlewis (19:23:36 20/12/2009) I'm already fu***** maxlewis (19:23:40 20/12/2009) 6 minutes per move maxlewis (19:23:42 20/12/2009) not 20 maxlewis (19:23:49 20/12/2009) don't give a **** that you're fighting maxlewis (19:23:53 20/12/2009) is it my first day playing maxlewis (19:24:25 20/12/2009) ***** maxlewis (19:24:32 20/12/2009) because of you, 5 people are ******* waiting for me mals (19:24:49 20/12/2009) well, let's finish later then, what's the problem? maxlewis (19:24:58 20/12/2009) make a move maxlewis (19:25:02 20/12/2009) that's the problem maxlewis (19:25:11 20/12/2009) you sit in ICQ ******* around and take 20 minutes per move maxlewis (19:25:22 20/12/2009) why the **** should I waste so much time mals (19:25:40 20/12/2009) I'm not chatting in ICQ maxlewis (19:26:04 20/12/2009) then what are you doing maxlewis (19:26:09 20/12/2009) *******, make a move mals (19:27:56 20/12/2009) I'm writing a report, confirm mals (19:28:10 20/12/2009) or let me know when we can finish
the guy quit the game I was fighting on my turn about 6 times, the guy couldn't take it I can send the save
I don't need you to send me the save, I have a rough idea how Mals plays, I can ask the guys. Moves around 10 minutes, you understand that's not much. My first impulse was to immediately disqualify him from the tournament for unsportsmanlike conduct, which I immediately told both of them. I didn't disqualify him because Mals stood up for Maxim. They finished the game from the save. Well, "finished" - there was a disconnect caused by the latter, and he surrendered. Maybe he spared his nerves. Plus, where he finishes isn't particularly important to him. Respect to Mals for his composure and cool-headedness, dealing with Maxim is difficult. Apologies for quoting the logs without permission.
The second game was with nik312 and it started like this:
maxlewis (21:08:54 25/12/2009) he says the hero is level 5 maxlewis (21:08:59 25/12/2009) but I think he's lying, how can I check
Should I continue.... Alright, he beat nik312. Took second place in the group. To take first place, he needed another win, but the trouble is - 3 days before New Year's, his opponents disappeared. Hello!
maxlewis (09:54:58 29/12/2009) Kash
maxlewis (09:55:04 29/12/2009) Yenik is not online
Kash (09:55:10 29/12/2009) yes, I know
maxlewis (09:55:15 29/12/2009) how to play, who knows
Kash (10:04:20 29/12/2009) if it depended on whether you advance or not, I'd have thought about it
maxlewis (10:04:27 29/12/2009) I can and want to beat her to get first place, she's not here
maxlewis (10:04:32 29/12/2009) she's doing it on purpose
Kash (10:04:33 29/12/2009) objectively, you play stronger than Yenik
Kash (10:04:40 29/12/2009) but weaker than Mals
Kash (10:05:00 29/12/2009) so you'll advance from second place, it's logical
maxlewis (10:05:03 29/12/2009) the thing is, I'm really fighting for 1st place so I don't have to play the killer, he's the tournament favorite, I want to meet him in the final
maxlewis (10:05:14 29/12/2009) why weaker than Mals?
maxlewis (10:05:18 29/12/2009) say it now then
maxlewis (10:05:22 29/12/2009) I beat him
Kash (10:05:26 29/12/2009) he's not the favorite
maxlewis (10:05:29 29/12/2009) killed his main hero in week 3
Kash (10:05:31 29/12/2009) sorry, no time
maxlewis (10:05:33 29/12/2009) just easily
maxlewis (10:05:40 29/12/2009) why am I weaker!!
maxlewis (10:05:41 29/12/2009) say it
maxlewis (10:08:51 29/12/2009) Kash, if I find that Yenik and beat her, I'll have 1st place then:
maxlewis (10:08:52 29/12/2009) :
maxlewis (10:08:53 29/12/2009) ?
maxlewis (10:09:08 29/12/2009) equal points, and since I beat Mals, that means 1st place?
Kash (10:09:19 29/12/2009) yes
maxlewis (10:09:22 29/12/2009) ok
maxlewis (10:09:26 29/12/2009) I'll look for her
maxlewis (10:09:52 29/12/2009) and if
maxlewis (10:09:58 29/12/2009) alexis
maxlewis (10:09:59 29/12/2009) ?
maxlewis (10:10:05 29/12/2009) I beat him, same situation?
Kash (10:16:44 29/12/2009) yes
This is from the last one. If you managed to read even this far - you have a rough idea of what it's like for me. :) What happened next - was quoted word for word by Maxim in the previous post. In real life, in such situations, I usually punch them in the face right away. I silently deleted him from ICQ. He pings again. The end of the conversation for the full picture:
Kash (14:54:21 30/12/2009) I'm fed up with you asking the same thing. I don't even apologize for the bluntness. I told you right away: if you get to first on points, you'll be first. If you don't, you'll be second. THAT'S IT! what's not clear? why beg and plead 10 more times like a woman? are your opponents my problem to find? they're YOUR problem! got it? or do you only understand foul language? one more squeak about problems with opponents and I'll TELL YOU TO F*** OFF in plain text. you can publish that on the forum
maxlewis (14:55:53 30/12/2009) is that an ultimatum?
maxlewis (14:56:08 30/12/2009) so I can't make any more complaints?
Kash (14:56:13 30/12/2009) that's my response to your post
Kash (14:56:21 30/12/2009) complain, but watch your mouth
maxlewis (14:58:35 30/12/2009) you talk as if you think you're above me
Kash (15:00:22 30/12/2009) in this situation yes, I'm the tournament organizer, you're a participant
Got a bit on my nerves :) Anyway, here is my decision as an organizer: I'm leaving this body Maxim in the tournament until the very slightest remark. Whether it's about behavior or gameplay. Even if I read one swear word from him anywhere. That's it, basically there's no problem, it's just that many people managed to read his post - I have to respond like this
SEM_56
16 years ago
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I agree with Kesh, impatience and complaining about others is not even rudeness, but...
maxlewis reminds me of some forum users who initially behaved in a similar way. The guy just didn't understand where he ended up. We treat each other with respect here. Demanding that someone play faster is simply unethical. There is no time limit for a turn in the rules, so everything is within the rules. In the worst case, you can play in several sessions. This isn't Counter-Strike, where you have to rush and play constantly. Here, you need to think to win!
But most importantly, you need to respect the work of the organizer, who does it, spending his personal time and not getting a penny for it! And all for what? So that newcomers feel comfortable and can play the tournament and understand what Heroes is all about!
I hope maxlewis reads this post and apologizes to everyone for his swearing and insults. Otherwise, we will have to take radical measures. We don't need swearing and rudeness here. It's better to get rid of one such newcomer than to lose ten others who might mistakenly think that such behavior is normal for us...
Wlk777
16 years ago
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I'm also on Viktor's side, but perhaps (within the context that this topic is about tournaments) he isn't entirely right as an organizer regarding awarding technical wins to both players in any case where they don't play. And I hope that maxlewis was just nervous (it happens to everyone); honestly, I partially understand him, but why be rude? There's no need for that. I hope everything gets resolved and everyone learns the necessary lessons from this not-so-pleasant story. IMHO.
...but perhaps (within the context of this topic being about tournaments) he, as an organizer, isn't entirely right about awarding technical results to both non-playing parties in any case...
I will explain once and for all why I do not award technical victories or defeats in the "Novice" tournament, but instead give zeros to both players. Clearly explained and with examples
1. In every group, there is at least one person who played ALL their games. Respect to Group E in particular, but in the other, more problematic groups: KillerVampire - all games mals - all games Fidail - all games RiMpel2 - all games RomarioGrom - all games satur - all games Meaning these guys wanted to play, and therefore they played everything! Including with Enik, Temich10041993, and everyone else. Why did they have to earn their points in battle, while I should just grant a technical victory to someone else?
2. And who gets the technical victory? Take the same example, maxlewis-Enik 1) Enik is a sweet girl; I've chatted and played with her a bit. How hard would you have to push her or what would you have to say to make her swear?? And then the audacity to quote it on the forum 2) From the moment Enik stepped in as a substitute, she looked for an opponent every day; I have the ICQ logs. She found two and played them. She tried to arrange with a third—he didn't respond. A week ago she had to leave, which I was warned about in advance. And I'm supposed to grant her a technical loss? Maybe I should put this question to a vote?
3. Here is another example. Yesterday, one of the tables looked like this:
№
Group F
26
27
28
29
30
O
26
RomarioGrom
0
0,5
1
1
2,5
27
Tolikandro
1
0,5
1,5
28
Dutin
0,5
0,5
1
29
Sulla
0
0
30
Temich10041993
0
0
It's obvious who makes it to the playoffs, right? Now, try adding technical defeats for players Sulla and Temich10041993... And what do we see? The group leader, who played all games, with 2 wins and a draw, gets knocked out completely. And in his place, Dutin makes it through with two draws. Do you think that would be fair? I discussed this situation with Dutin. He didn't drag my name through the mud, didn't call me a woman. The guy agreed that since he can't find the missing players, and a substitute is no longer possible—then it just wasn't meant to be.. What can you do now—you should have won against the leaders instead of gifting them half a point each. I hope I've explained it clearly to everyone now, and there won't be any more questions like this
