Vampires. Discussion. — Necropolis

Крестьянин-ZOMBIE

16 years ago

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That’s what I’m saying, vampirism should be used, but I wasn’t talking about vampires themselves. And you think Celestial Shield is a good spell? I’ve never used it. And you shouldn’t throw vampires into the thick of the battle; that’s when they survive. The main force should consist of messengers, spirits, and dragons, and of course, zombies. And you should unleash the vampires on archers and mages – they handle them perfectly.

Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:

Ereb

16 years ago

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And who protects them (archers and mages)? So, you can't just approach them easily; they have low HP and are taken down quickly, even armored units can withstand their attacks well... Any decent player won't leave their ranged units exposed, and the Vampire skill looks good on them)))

За кланы! За кровь!

Крестьянин-ZOMBIE

16 years ago

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If you focus on defending them, who will fight then? And against strong opponents, vampires don't perform very well; if they don't blind you, their counterattack will be devastating. I tried Celestial Shield, but it wasn't very effective.

Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:

JackFromShadowLand

16 years ago

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Yes, right? Vampires need to be protected! Never throw them forward right away; let all the other units go first, and keep the vampires in defense/waiting. If you save them for the end of the battle, victory will be yours...

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Он лежит на своих сокровищах,и в сердце его зависть и злоба. Не верь, что голова его склонилась во сне, если глаза его закрыты. Дракон не спит никогда.

Ereb

16 years ago

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I think that if you're not lucky, it's better to take higher-tier vampires without retaliation and not be afraid of anyone!...usually, in Necropolis, they block the liches first and try to save them...so while a strong unit blocks the liches + another one also goes on the offensive...the others protect the archers....I saw one battle where Haven won because of a Necropolis player's mistake, who sent the dragoons and heralds forward, and the archers + morale were simply devastating....as JackFromShadowLand said, when the time comes when you can block the archers with vampires in one turn, you'll probably lose, because vampires deal a lot of damage...but he himself isn't as tough as a rock either:)

За кланы! За кровь!

Чёрный дракон

16 years ago

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Don't look the Vampire Princes in the eye!))) It seems like this was added just for variety.))) But in general, their stunning ability is a rare factor in battle; it's better if they don't get a response. I actually thought they would be like the old Medusas, turning enemies to stone when they use their eyes, and I was deeply disappointed when I saw that this wasn't the case. :( It's a shame they removed the Medusas from the fifth game; they were my favorite unit, and if they were replaced by Dark Riders, for example, with the same stats as in the third game (archers, melee combat without penalty, turning to stone), they would have provided serious competition for the vampires.)))

У дракона нет закона!

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Mish-gan

16 years ago

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Peasant-ZOMBIE

If you protect them, who will fight then? And against strong opponents, vampires don't look very good; if they don't blind you, the retaliation will be fierce. I tried Heavenly Shield, but it's not very effective.

I wonder what the author of this post thinks about what he wrote now?

Malder

16 years ago

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a stupid opinion))
-50% damage is "certainly not a game-changer" )))

Прячься,скрывайся,наблюдай,слушай,запоминай - и нанеси удар когда его меньше всего ожидают

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Саня Изи

16 years ago

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Malder

a stupid opinion))
-50% damage "definitely doesn't matter" )))

In reality, this spell has its drawbacks. Firstly, it's not permanent, meaning it can absorb a certain amount of damage, the quantity of which depends on the spellcasting skill, and then it disappears, requiring it to be cast again, wasting a turn. Secondly, there are more effective spells, such as vampirism. Thirdly, it is quickly broken by Divine Vengeance, and fourthly, it can be removed with a simple dispel spell.

Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день

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Misterio

15 years ago

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Black Dragon

Don't look the Vampire Princes in the eye!))) It seems like this was just invented for variety.))) But in general, their stunning ability in battle is a rare factor; it's better if they don't get a response. I actually thought they would be like the old Medusas, turning enemies to stone when they use their eyes, and I was deeply disappointed when I saw that this wasn't the case. :( It's a shame they removed Medusas from the fifth game. They are my favorite character, and if they were instead of the Dark Knights, with the same parameters as in the third game (archers, melee combat without penalty, turning to stone), they would provide serious competition for the vampires!)))

Maybe, but vampires move fast enough; the Medusas will only manage 2-3 shots, and even that's not certain. But when the vampires get close, even turning to stone won't help.

BATTLEWIZARD

15 years ago

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Vampires are definitely the strongest unit against neutral creatures.
With 35 vampire lords divided into 2 stacks, I could defeat 30 titans without any losses.
P.S. The hero has 60 mana. (Ravenna)
Mass weakening + skull scream + divine strength. The stunning effect worked 3 out of 4 times.
P.P.S. + Skilled Defense.
In general, if the unit is not mechanical or undead, 30 vampires can clear everything that moves on the map without losses. If there are 50 of them, then you don't even have to try hard.

Саня Изи

15 years ago

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They are not only good against neutral creatures. I think it's safe to say that vampires are a key unit for the Necropolis faction.

Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день

BATTLEWIZARD

15 years ago

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I agree that they are key figures who can bring victory. And if an opponent underestimates them, they may pay dearly for it. Hence, the eternal problem of the Necromancer with Vampires. Should they be thrown into battle immediately? Or hidden in their ranks, and when the enemy's troops lose numbers, unleash them like a hedgehog (you can also add Divine Strength, Stone Skin, Vampirism, etc.) and engage in a fierce battle. P.S. No matter what anyone says about Vampire Lords, I believe they are stronger than regular ones (my IMHO). Because Stun can take a strong enemy stack out of the game for 2 turns, and possibly even 2 stacks. Yes, there is a chance that it won't work. But as they say, he who does not risk does not drink... you know what xDDDD

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