DISCUSSIONS on “Rules for online games in HoMM3 and formulas for calculating player rating.” — Online Tournaments

Lider1

11/16/2009 8:48 AM UTC

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loi

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Either I'm that unlucky, or I just can't play the dungeon at all (which is probably the latter), but for me both Shakti and the respawn are crappy useless without Con[s] etc, and the Troglodytes melt before my eyes =(

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SEM_56

11/16/2009 10:23 AM UTC

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Well, they've really piled it on here!!!
It feels like everyone has forgotten how to play, or you're constantly losing to Danzhu. The hero specialization is there so that it rewards him with chocolate by his standards (Shakti-Troglodytes)!!!
In that case, cut Ivor, Vistane, and Valeska too, well then I'll cut myself out of the World)))!!!

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Forrest

11/16/2009 10:30 AM UTC

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SEM_56

In that case, Ivora, Vistana, and Valeska should be nerfed.

Which of the aforementioned deals 600 damage with a thrust attack on level 111?
Their combat power is 5 times weaker there.

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Alex_R

11/16/2009 11:21 AM UTC

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The starting hero for all castles is random, and the balance will be adjusted accordingly. This will have a very noticeable effect on Dungeons and Necropolis; Castle will be slightly weakened, but Tower and Inferno will receive a small boost. Moreover, the biggest advantage is an increased list of heroes that can be leveled up. I've suggested this repeatedly here and here; it seemed like there were many who agreed, but in the end, it was just talk. And in Heroes 5, people still play with random heroes, even though they don't ban cheaters.

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Lider1

11/16/2009 11:36 AM UTC

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You say it sounds interesting. I've been wanting to try it myself for a while now (playing with a random hero). But forcing people to do it probably isn't the best approach; many would simply be repulsed by it.

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Kash

11/16/2009 11:40 AM UTC

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The Castle will be slightly weakened, but the Tower and Inferno will see a small improvement.

It's unlikely that the Castle will suffer if you remove an average of 5 archers and add 15 Pokémon. :)
However, the Inferno will be at a disadvantage without a ballista.

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Lider1

11/16/2009 11:46 AM UTC

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As an option for Inferno and Tower, allow players to choose a hero at the start. But in general, I think the problem lies not in the starting heroes, but in the repetitive use of the same template, named 2sm4d(3)! IMHO.

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Redwhait

11/16/2009 12:00 PM UTC

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Wicc

Well, that's quite a comparison... It's one thing with goblins, another with Troglodytes — the latter have a significant advantage in hit points, damage, and quantity. If Grechkin could actually do anything with his goblins, they would be a starting lineup instead of Kreg or Gurney like now.

You could argue with that — Grechkin, while not as brutal as the Miner, still easily crushes low-tier conscripts ;)

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SpiriTT

11/16/2009 12:01 PM UTC

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Let's start with a random hero, cancel the restart after each match, and switch to 111+112 (111+111) restarts.!!!!! Everything will still be recorded on paper... so why not just write it down?))

ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.

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Alex_R

11/16/2009 12:07 PM UTC

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Kash

It's unlikely that a Castle will suffer if you remove an average of 5 archers and add 15 Pokémon.

But nevertheless, 99% of the time, practice proves the opposite, not just in words. Because it's not just +5 archers, but rather because of +1 to speed and additional starting parameters, isn't this why Valeska is chosen as a starting hero? Loyalty to Valeska is evident from the reports. P.S. 1% of anti-Valeska players practice Mizrael in favor of Caitlin; I don't remember any other examples. And it's clear what the benefits are for Dungeon.

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misantrop

11/16/2009 12:10 PM UTC

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Maybe it would be better to ban Barbarians from using Bears in the first tier?
Because in Heroes of Might and Magic I, the damage they deal is over 100, and it's effective against any unit. :D

I'm just saying that everything is fine as it is; each faction has its own strengths and weaknesses, and you just need to play and adapt.:rolleyes:

I'm making rules
Primus inter pares

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КостяN

11/16/2009 12:15 PM UTC

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Don't rush into radical decisions – we can always make them later. ;) Let's hold a test mini-tournament with random starting heroes, and let the participants share their impressions as it progresses. And still, let's at least keep the option to choose Inferno, although there aren't actually that many bad starting heroes there; the problem is more with the army than with the hero's strength, IMHO... (and it's better to leave the Tower on par with everyone else; it has good attack power anyway; if we're going to refer to Pikeldragma, then we can start remembering about other Ufretins, etc.).

Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:

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Alex_R

11/16/2009 12:20 PM UTC

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misantrop

Maybe it would be better to ban Barbarians from using Bears in the first tier?
Because in Heroes of Might and Magic I, the damage of a single Bear exceeds 100, and it deals damage to any unit. :D

I don't quite understand the sarcasm; where did you see a ban on Shakti or Valeska?
If you get them, play; if not, take restarts (while you still can).

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Wicc

11/16/2009 12:28 PM UTC

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redwhait

We can argue here; Grech is not as brutal as a Miner, but he easily breaks through minimal defenses. ;)

So why aren't you playing as Barbarian? :)

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misantrop

11/16/2009 12:40 PM UTC

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Alex_R

I don't quite understand the sarcasm, where did you see a ban on Shakti or Valeska?

Why would you ban the portal in Dungeon — that's the hallmark of the town?!

Overall, I don't understand: why dismiss the Troglodytes if three stacks arrived?

Maybe we should then set a specific number of troops with which you're allowed to start the game? :confused:

And if Wystan or Valeska arrived with three stacks, should they also be dismissed?

I like everything and it all suits me. I am against changing the rules.

I'm making rules
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