Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.

Hello everyone,

it's unclear what truth people are fighting for here:

- to make the process of catching cheaters more fair/better, but there are no posts on this topic

- to create a review body or somehow improve/enhance the protection process - I'm sorry, but I can't find any posts suggesting this.

it seems like we're living in a time of crisis, and people just want to argue and distract themselves from their problems. It's all just arguing for the sake of arguing, whether it's about Vitalik, Bystrov, or something more global.

I don't recommend playing with a player whose ICQ number is 596-897-272 and whose nickname on Protale is Darka Attera. There are save files where, on day 121, he only had one hero who didn't have the Diplomacy skill (they were playing without rules), and he had 992 Imps. Also, he didn't have many resource-generating buildings, only one Prefecture, but he managed to build up his castles to the maximum.

For clarity)

Wlk777 (21:03):
I'm not arguing, you're smart and I'm just a janitor, but there's no need to cheat)
Darka Attera (21:04):
cheat? You haven't even seen how people cheat. And it doesn't bother me. If others are using it, then it would be a sin not to do it myself.

Just to be clear:

Darka Attera (21:04):
cheating? you haven't even seen how people cheat. and it doesn't bother me. if others are using it, then I shouldn't be the only one not doing it.

Where can I see it?:smile43:

I can confirm that one of the newcomers who played with this person said: he had 3,500 Imps on level 111 and he didn't deny it. Please note that logs and save files are also available!!!

Thanks for the information! We'll look into it...

We immediately discussed it in the AK, made a decision, and vbn sent a message to the Creator. As soon as a response is received, Vitaly will notify everyone.

I strongly advise against playing with the player Darkaterra! I played with him on the map S, and the following situation arose: I had a town that allowed me to reveal the entire map, but he didn't. So, I kept an eye on him. Soon after the 3rd turn, he had an army of 1000+ units. His ICQ number is 596-897-272. Unfortunately, I don't have any concrete evidence. However, Blackpoint posted something similar about him. Take a look, and you'll understand everything!

I still don't understand. Darkaterra himself wasn't banned, but only his clone was (although the clone didn't really do anything bad to anyone, and there are no saves with his cheating). Strange, IMHO.

I still don't understand, Darkaterra himself wasn't banned, but only his clone was banned (although the clone didn't do anything bad to anyone, and there are no saves with his cheating). It's strange, IMHO.

He was banned, and violation points were added. He'll be back soon. You of all people should know how it works :D

He was banned, and violation points were added. He'll be unbanned soon. You know how it is :D

There's a saying: if the nickname is blue instead of black, then the player isn't banned :D

Gentlemen of the Arbitration Committee.
I hasten to inform the forum users about the following.
Today, I played a season game with the player Skuns.
On the fourth week, the opponent left the game. The following dialogue took place in ICQ:

496616750 (23:23):
Okay, we'll finish tomorrow
My time is up
Come tomorrow around 12
Stasya (23:27):
I won't be available tomorrow
496616750 (23:27):
But you violated the rules
Stasya (23:27):
Did you even save before leaving?
What rules did I violate?
496616750 (23:28):
You added Wyverns
Stasya (23:28):
Where did you get that from?
496616750 (23:29):
And Nomads
Stasya (23:29):
Where did you get that information?
Stasya (23:32):
I would still like an answer to the question I asked
496616750 (23:32):
I would like an answer as to why you are violating the rules
Stasya (23:33):
The rules were not violated: Wyverns from hives, Nomads from Pandora's Box
What's your answer?
Stasya (23:36):
Did you open the map?
Stasya (23:37):
Hello?
496616750 (23:40):
You still added Nomads!
Stasya (23:40):
I answered your question
Answer mine
496616750 (23:40):
I looked at the map
Stasya (23:41):
Okay - I'm writing on the forum
Bye
496616750 (23:41):
Bye
496616750 (23:42):
What, do you think I'm a psychic?
496616750 (23:44):
Or do you think I intended to continue the game with you after I told you about the Wyverns?

I believe that the player's behavior is inappropriate.
I am awaiting a decision from the Arbitration Committee.

Gentlemen of the AK.
I am writing to inform the forum users about the following.
Today, I played a season game with the player Skuns.
In the fourth week, the opponent left the game. The following dialogue took place in ICQ:

I await the decision of the AK.

Yes, judging by your dialogue, Skuns admitted to viewing the map. We will contact your opponent and respond.

Dear friends, let's get this straight! First, my time for the game runs out, and I leave the map! Then, I ask him if we can finish the game tomorrow – he says no (and I only have time tomorrow, meaning I have time today, but not for the rest of the week), so I decided to concede to him. But first, I decided to check if he was playing fairly. That's why I asked him about the wyverns and the nomads. But my opponent had a quick reaction and immediately posted this here, and specifically the part of the conversation where I admit something, not where I explain why I did it. In the end, I'm not an idiot to just blurt out the truth and say that I cheated.
I admit that, strictly speaking, I did violate the rules: (I started asking him about the wyverns before I wrote "I concede, we won't be able to finish the game"). Although the very fact that I asked about the wyverns already implies that we will not continue the game, and he should have asked why.
But I believe that this report about me, as if I'm a cheater, etc., is unfounded. He just writes, "I'm rushing to inform the forum users," which creates the impression that I cheated someone, tried to use something for personal gain, or hacked the save during the game, but none of that happened. It's not my fault that my opponent doesn't know how to communicate properly.
Well, I'm new, I don't know all the nuances, and next time I will take this factor into account.
Fine the opponent 5000 units.

P.S. And he still added the nomads!:smile24:

In my opinion, no one cheated or recruited anyone here (I doubt even diplomacy was used, and as far as I know, monsters don't join on popular maps without it, and the aggression level isn't right). But it's unlikely that Skuns would continue the game after admitting to looking at the map (or saves, I don't know), so he's being unfairly accused. In short, guys got carried away and were too quick to accuse each other. For the future, I recommend that both of them calmly sort things out first (in ICQ, they can also consult with members of the AC or other experienced people) and only then make public accusations.