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#91
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He said it himself – whichever is more advantageous... that's what mercenaries or defectors say...
You've been offered a choice between a BMW X5 and a VAZ-2101.
If you choose the BMW, you're a traitor or a defector.

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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
I, for example, would never betray a friend. You can only betray a friend, a close relative, or someone you care about.
But I can't betray my homeland; it's not possible because I don't feel as close to it as I do to a friend.
Your homeland is like your mother. Just like Stalin was also a father (or godfather:D) before... That's it! Don't betray your motherland!
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You've been offered a choice between a BMW X5 and a Lada 2101.
If you choose the BMW, you're a traitor or a defector.
And I don't like transportation at all! And besides, the Lada... it's a cool, patriotic thing!:D
And besides, we're not choosing a product; we're choosing between friends, relatives... against temptations...
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My mother is not my homeland; rather, my homeland is not my mother. It wasn't her who gave birth to me.
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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
My mother is not my homeland; rather, my homeland is not my mother. She didn't give birth to me.
This is just anatomically speaking. But what about culturally, spiritually, and morally...?
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Even if we disregard all the lofty feelings, there remains sex, which is fundamentally necessary for an adult.
What does ejaculation have to do with it? Yes, I know that pleasure can be derived without a partner. Perhaps homeless people, foresters, and other sociophobes do just that.
But if, in your opinion, ejaculation is the only reason for needing a partner, then I have bad news for you.
Oh, really?

Also, Ghost, you still haven't answered why mercenaries are bad. Do you have no answer?
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Morning
Also, Ghost, you still haven't answered why mercenaries are bad. Do you have no answer?
He didn't answer... the answer is obvious... because a mercenary earns money by killing and so on. Not for a noble cause - to defend the Motherland - but for money... Money is evil...
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Really?
Lock, read the whole sentence, not just what you want. This is for you, as a reference to Tolstoy.
Even if we disregard all elevated feelings, sex remains – a basic need for an adult.
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Money is needed for survival. The more money you have, the better you can improve your surroundings. If you don't need it, give it to me.)
Ghost, it seems to me that you were simply indoctrinated from an early age to love your homeland.
In general, from a very young age, parents and teachers simply hammer their opinions and ideas into everyone's heads. And children get used to it, thinking that this is how it should be, without really understanding why (this is where arguments like "you need to love your homeland because it's your homeland" come from), or even without trying to explain it. They hammer it in, depriving a person of the ability to form their own opinion on any subject, to figure things out on their own. For the past six months, I've been trying to get rid of all this indoctrination (even I used to be a "patriot," and I didn't understand why, it just had to be that way, and that's good).
True, I'm on the path to becoming completely out of touch and incomprehensible to others. But that's better, in my opinion; I won't let my parents and teachers control my mind.
Only those who have been heavily indoctrinated are very unlikely to change their opinions, especially after the age of 15.

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P.S. Also, traditions, customs, and superstitions are part of this indoctrination; it's all nonsense, and nothing will change because of them.
By the way, I've already written somewhere about a society without principles; that's exactly what I meant, a society without indoctrination, without traditions and superstitions, without stupid principles (like two stubborn donkeys arguing about something just because they're stubborn), and so on
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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
Money is needed for survival. The more money, the better you can improve your surroundings. If you don't need it, give it to me.) All of it.
Ghost, it seems to me that you were simply indoctrinated from an early age to love your homeland.
In general, from a very young age, parents and teachers simply hammer their opinions and ideas into everyone's heads. And children get used to it, thinking that this is how it should be, without really understanding why (this is where arguments like "you need to love your homeland because it's your homeland" come from), or even without trying to explain it. They hammer it in, depriving a person of the ability to form their own opinion on any subject, to figure things out on their own. For the past six months, I've been trying to get rid of all this indoctrination (even I used to be a "patriot" and didn't understand why, it just had to be that way, and that's good).
True, I'm on the path to becoming completely inadequate and incomprehensible to others. But that's better, in my opinion; I won't let my parents and teachers control my mind.
Only those who have been heavily indoctrinated are very unlikely to change their opinions, especially after the age of 15.
(I myself don't know how I managed to renounce all of this).
Yes, money is a means of survival, but when money conflicts with your moral choices... I'd rather choose poverty in Russia than millions in America...
No one has ever forced anything into my head; I came to all these patriotic feelings on my own. As a child, I also liked all sorts of bright films and cartoons, but now I like Soviet ones, which are full of meaning and morality, rather than visual beauty...
I've always been morally and spiritually strong, I know the greatest secrets and laws of this terrible world.
In the 7th grade, in history class, the teacher, as an exception, asked everyone to write short essays for the lesson, answering the questions: "What would you do if you were president?" and "What has my homeland given me?" I stood out:D
So, patriotism is not fanaticism that is simply forced upon you... If you don't want to, you will never be a patriot... It is a special, conscious, spiritual, cultural, and moral choice... It is the idea and desire to live in the world not just for your own pleasure, but for some, even if modest, goal! For the good of others, for the good of your people!
That's all!
For the Motherland! For Stalin! Kill America - save Russia!:D

P.S. And I don't want to go to the army; I don't want to lose my mind:D I'm a cunning patriot:D
Imaris, the Moon Wolf
P.S. Also, traditions, customs, and superstitions are also nonsense; nothing will change because of them.
By the way, I've already written somewhere about a society without principles; that's exactly what I meant, without indoctrination, without traditions and superstitions, without stupid principles (like two stubborn donkeys arguing about something just because they are stubborn) and so on.
I'll say this: you don't even understand what "principledness" is and turn it all into some kind of idiocy because of your own ignorance...
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You misunderstood me (regarding the principles). Maybe that particular word isn't the best choice, but I think the meaning is clear. And explain why you consider it idiocy.
No one ever forced anything into my head; I came to all these patriotic views on my own.
Perhaps I'm not denying that everything happened exactly as you say, but I still think that it was instilled in me. You just don't realize it, and you probably never will. But again, I'm not claiming that this is the absolute truth.
Regarding patriotism and fanaticism, I think it's impossible to reach a consensus here. Because I believe that absolute fanaticism is when you are simply crazy about something, you know everything about it, etc. (I'll explain it better with an example: let's say a fan of a band knows the complete biography of all the members, only listens to their music, goes to ALL their concerts by any means, squeezing out every last penny, is ready to give away his apartment in exchange for a beer can that was run over by the band's limousine, etc.).
In my opinion, patriotism is a kind of fanaticism in which you "fan out" over the country you are patriotic about, you also know its history by heart, all the rulers, sub-rulers, and so on, and are ready to wallow in mud for it every day for 23 hours, etc
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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
You misunderstood me (regarding principles). Maybe that specific word isn't quite right, but I think the meaning is clear. And explain why you call it idiocy.
Principles are principles, not stubbornness... If you are a normal, conscious person with principles, then no one will stubbornly insist on their own rightness, even if they are wrong...
Imaris, the Moon Wolf
Perhaps I don't deny that everything could have happened exactly as you say, but I still think that it was imposed. You just don't realize it, and most likely will never realize it. But again, I'm not claiming that this is the absolute truth.
Regarding patriotism and fanaticism - I think it's impossible to reach a consensus here. Because I believe that absolute fanaticism is when you are simply crazy about something, you know everything about it, etc. (I'll explain it better with an example: let's say a fan of a band knows the complete biography of all the members of the band, only listens to it, goes to ALL their concerts by any means, squeezing out the last money, is ready to give away an apartment in exchange for a beer can that was run over by the band's limousine, etc.).
IMHO patriotism is a kind of fanaticism in which you "fan out" over the country in which you are a patriot, you also know its history by heart, all the rulers, sub-rulers, etc., and are ready to wallow in mud every day for 23 hours for it, etc.
Well, you're a completely reckless maniac))) Fanaticism is fanaticism, and patriotism is already a moral choice... In a way, even the Vlasovites were patriots... those who didn't just want to survive, but who wanted good for their country... they just strayed from the righteous path...
And I don't know a lot of things by heart, I just know where my heart lies, for what cause, for what deed... And I don't want to "have" everyone who I like or just the one who was given to me!:D

Be smart patriots!:D
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Those who vote for the first option simply don't fully grasp the situation. I would also like to be able to be a hero when the time comes, but I'm not sure that will happen. That's why I'm voting for the second option. In general, it seems to me that only someone who has already been in similar circumstances would vote for the first option.
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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Insert the third option: "just a patriot of his homeland, even if not a hero":D
And we'll immediately know who the traitor is, who the egoist is, etc.))
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Principles are principles, not stubbornness... If you are a normal, conscious person with principles, then no one will stubbornly insist on their own rightness, even if they are wrong...
I'm just saying, you didn't understand. The example with the two rams was about two individuals who have a principle: I am always right, and I need to show it to everyone.
Other examples: you simply don't communicate with a person out of principle; you just don't want to.
You want to do something nice for a person, for example, to thank them, so you give them a box of chocolates, but they refuse; you still give it to them, and they still refuse. I mean these principles; they can be different. You didn't understand me in that other topic, and you don't understand me now.
Well, you're a completely reckless maniac!)))
Or maybe not) Well, it's all about how people interpret these words; they have different meanings.

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Address: Heresh - Valley of Ghosts.
How so?!?! You didn't write Russia in the address?!?! You're not a patriot! :D
And you also write in Russian incorrectly! It's disgusting! You should be shot!))
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Imaris, the Moon Wolf
Other examples: you simply refuse to communicate with a person out of principle; you don't want to, and that's it; you want to do something nice for a person, for example, to thank them, so you give them a box of chocolates, but they refuse; you still give it, and they still refuse. I'm talking about these principles; they can be different. You didn't understand me in that topic, and you still don't understand me now.
This is stubbornness... Stubbornness and stupidity, not principles... it's been a long time since you should have started distinguishing between the two.)
Imaris, the Moon Wolf
How is that possible?!?! You didn't write Russia in the address?!?! You're not a patriot! :D
And you also write in Russian incorrectly! It's disgusting! You should be shot!))
Here's an example of fanaticism)))) I haven't killed you yet for all your sins... you're mixing up apples and oranges again:D
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