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Happy Life
16 years ago
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If you defy your boss a couple of times, you won't be drinking beer with your colleague; instead, you'll be drinking vodka in a dingy bar with pensioners, spending your last money. Would you pull the Lever, even if it meant jumping into boiling tar? Knowing full well that if you don't do it, you'll remain unscathed?
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
eXeCuToR
16 years ago
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As a rule, things aren't always so dire.
Would I? I don't know. I can't judge my behavior in such a situation, as I've never been in one, and my life experience isn't helpful here. I would jump if I had the willpower. Because it seems reasonable and right to me.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you Its the servants devotion for the decay Stand up
Yes, for glory. And to feel good, because they did a good deed. Some people trip others just to watch the old man fall and laugh. Others help him get up, and their ego swells with pleasure or pride – "I helped the old man, I am much better and more righteous than those jerks or all the people who indifferently walked by!"
And some will punch the prankster who tripped the old man, instinctively, driven by emotion. They won't think about how they look in the eyes of others. And they won't feel anything afterward; they'll help the old man to his feet and walk away. And their self-esteem won't suffer.
If you can't find something to do when there are no people around? Poor thing. But homeless people find a way. Hermits find a way, or simply people who are tired of the city and move to a house in the woods. Even primitive animals with underdeveloped brains live perfectly well without people. And even without other animals of the same species, which can be considered a miracle of nature. Of course, dying is much more pleasant. It's a convenient solution when you want to relieve tension, but there's no one around. Right?
It's not about finding or not finding something to do.
Although, yes... becoming homeless is cool, I guess; they probably strived for it for a long time and are incredibly happy. "People who are tired of the city and move to a house in the woods" – let's assume. I myself got tired of it once, about five years ago. Fortunately, I have a house by the lake, and my favorite activity is there. The first week was great. The second week, I started to miss people; I wouldn't have lasted a third week.
Even if we set aside all the lofty feelings, there's sex, which is an essential need for an adult. No, I'm not as far gone as animals in that regard...
Is dying pleasant, especially in the ways you described? And is it pleasant to stay alive when your parents, children, close friends, and loved ones have died? To survive in order to exist like an animal or a homeless person? No way, where's the lever? Give it to me!
The instinct for self-preservation is dominant. It is much stronger than the instinct for socialization with members of the same species.
Humans don't live by instincts alone, at least I believe that
Happy Life
16 years ago
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Would I? I don't know. I can't judge my behavior in such a situation, as I have never been in one, and my life experience is not helpful here. I would jump if I had the willpower. Because it seems reasonable and right to me.
I wasn't mistaken that you would answer exactly that - "I don't know." Only, I don't think dying is reasonable or right. It's as if I owe something to someone. And not just something, but the most valuable thing a person has.
And someone would punch the prankster in the face beforehand, for tripping the old man. Automatically, under the influence of emotions. And he wouldn't think about how he looks in the eyes of others. And he wouldn't feel bad about it afterwards, he would help the old man up and walk away. And his self-esteem wouldn't suffer.
Yes, first of all, of course, you need to punch someone in the face and, out of noble motives, chase after the scoundrels while the old man is lying on the asphalt with a heart attack or asphyxia. And then, how his self-esteem will soar. And for two whole months, he will tell everyone about it several times, embellishing what happened.
Homeless people, foresters, explorers - you overestimate the importance of the human factor. You can choose any sociophobic recluse, who doesn't like people or society, as the most banal example. He would definitely choose the second option in the poll, without thinking for a second.
I wouldn't be able to handle the third one.
If there was no possibility to return, he would endure it. And the fourth, and the tenth, and the twentieth, and any. A person adapts to everything, even to losing the Meaning of Life, which consists of a trip to his mother-in-law for pancakes.
Even if we ignore all the lofty feelings, there remains sex, which is fundamentally necessary for an adult. No, I'm not that far from animals in this regard.
It's funny to read this after that:
A person does not live only by instincts, at least I believe in it.
And I - do not believe that one of the arguments for suicide is the subsequent inability to satisfy oneself. This is so absurd that it cannot be considered an argument.
Dying is not pleasant, especially in the ways you described. And is it pleasant to stay alive when your parents, children, close and loved ones have died?
No one promised that life itself should be a series of pleasant amusements. And dying because of this is the same as dying from losing a wallet or having a car stolen.
In words, everyone is Leo Tolstoy, but when it comes to action, at one fine moment, all the imaginary family ties or the imposed social stereotype of love will disappear, and only fear will remain. Such a close and real fear of death. And this is not a shameful fear. No books about brave fantasy heroes jumping into a dragon's mouth will eradicate it.
P.S.
If the instinct of self-preservation could not be suppressed, there would be no wars - soldiers would run away as soon as they saw each other.
Meanwhile, in the aforementioned war, soldiers had commissar's guns pointed at their backs, which cannot but be depressing when thinking about desertion. And this factor should not be underestimated in any case.
It's pointless to argue about it.
Explaining all human actions with instincts and self-importance is boring and unintelligent. Regarding fear, yes, I agree. It would be scary. I wouldn't want to be in that situation. It's much easier to die with everyone else, and let everything depend on the courage of some Vasily. Or on his self-importance.
eXeCuToR
16 years ago
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I'm glad my stance is clear to you in this situation. You, of course, know because your needs here align with your desires, while my perspective is different, and my choice would be much more difficult. And yes, there are many people to whom I feel I owe a debt. Even my life. The exchange would be quite beneficial. Just because you believe that any virtue is a way to boost one's ego, it doesn't mean it actually is. Some people are raised in such a way that they simply cannot act differently; others don't want to feel like animals, etc. We're discussing a hero who saves the world, an ordinary person. Where does it say in the topic that he's a sociopath and doesn't care about human society? Don't lump everyone together. In favor of Cash: it says "not alone", not "without instincts". The comparison with a lost wallet is what's truly absurd. And regarding "in words," that's precisely why I'm not claiming that I jumped, because it's unlikely that every person can be confident in such a moment; how can you know that you won't give in? P.S. Not all soldiers could be controlled in this way.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you Its the servants devotion for the decay Stand up
The poll clearly shows who will be willing to shed blood for their homeland in the upcoming war, and who will go to a foreign country to sit it out and "have fun" for their own benefit.
The poll clearly shows who will be willing to shed blood for their homeland in the upcoming war, and who will go to a foreign country to sit it out and "have fun" for their own benefit.
It should be noted that there are more of the latter. :)
And it's funny - any topic I create risks turning into another flame war.
And what else would you call it... While the loyal sons of their homeland... stand to the death for their land, for their people, for the Old... for Medvedev:)... You, meanwhile, are comfortably relaxing far away from this hell and shooting at completely the wrong targets...Wesker
Better to call it Satanism right away. It's also similar in sound.
Or, if you want, I'll arrange for you to be necrophiled by all sorts of rotten zombies in hell.
And what else is it called... While the loyal sons of their homeland stand to the death for their land, for their own, for the Old... for Medvedev:)... Meanwhile, you are relaxing your body far away from this hell and shooting at completely the wrong targets...
You can beat me up) but I'm not a patriot and I don't like patriotism, why should I, for example, love my homeland?
You can beat me up, but I'm not a patriot and I don't like patriotism. Why should I, for example, love my homeland?
Because it is your homeland! Your homeland gave you the opportunity to study, have fun online, hang out however you want, live in normal conditions, eat and drink whatever you want! Your homeland gave you all of this!
Because it is your homeland! Your homeland gave you the opportunity to learn, have fun online, socialize however you want, live in normal conditions, eat and drink whatever you desire! Your homeland gave you all of this!
But a foreign country might offer even greater opportunities, so what?
Because it's your homeland! Your homeland gave you the opportunity to study, have fun online, socialize however you want, live in normal conditions, eat, and drink whatever you desire! Your homeland provided all of this!
Loving something simply because it is something – is never a valid argument. Almost any country would offer me all of this.
