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Okay, let's not argue. Let's move on.
Instead, let's decide:
in the future, is SUGGESTING a character's status/aura considered metagaming or not? In other words, is it a violation of the rules?
Если кто-то тебе противоречит, подумай: может, он не прав? (с)
Говорят, что рыжие не плачут, Говорят, душа у них - огонь. Если влюблены, то любят значит, Если ненавидят - их не тронь!
"Не заблуждайтесь. Рыжие - это зло! Знаете кто был рыжим? Иуда... Что сделал Иуда? Иисуса предал - вот что! Я говорю вслух то, о чем другие только думают. Рыжие опасны. И однажды ночью, когда вы будете спать в своих кроватках, рыжие придут за вами... Они придут за вами!!!" (с) Эрик Картман
Okay, I'm going to write a long, angry post with quotes from the game chat about how I supposedly asked Areg not to kill me, and then we killed Ara because he "exposed" himself:mad: Seriously, how can you twist the facts like that?
Added 24 minutes ago
Zubr, when he saw my first leak, asked not to kill him right away, saying he wanted to play. The request was granted.
Deal with Zubr yourselves. In general, it's your fault; we're not to blame that you sent Luchik's status in the wrong window. And by the way, we didn't touch you until evidence against you appeared, which I don't consider to be from the Barbarians. The girl – she's a woman, that was the clue, and I guessed it. What are your complaints? You went to kill Zubr with Magnus, although, yes, Zubr exposed himself, and so did I.
Cash, when he saw Ara's leak, asked not to kill him right away. The request was granted.
Outright lie. I'm quoting the logs without Areg's permission. First of all, I don't like THIS kind of communication in the game chat when they try to find out my status, role, etc. But that's not what we're talking about now.
Arandor (14:36:22 27/10/2009) your vote doesn't matter
Arandor (14:36:25 27/10/2009) you don't have to change it
Kash (15:50:18 27/10/2009) what's up?
Kash (15:50:24 27/10/2009) I'm not going to change it
Arandor (15:52:31 27/10/2009) what?
Arandor (15:52:45 27/10/2009) lol
Kash (15:52:55 27/10/2009) )) were you writing to me?
Arandor (15:53:00 27/10/2009) I wasn't talking about that
Arandor (15:53:01 27/10/2009) to you
Arandor (15:53:05 27/10/2009) =[
Kash (15:53:21 27/10/2009) Areg exposed himself =Ъ
Arandor (15:53:35 27/10/2009) no)
Kash (15:53:36 27/10/2009) so, did you expose Khosa?
Arandor (15:53:39 27/10/2009) I wouldn't have exposed myself so easily
Kash (15:53:41 27/10/2009) good job
Kash (15:54:00 27/10/2009) damn, you're going to kill me, bastards
Arandor (15:54:18 27/10/2009) no, don't worry
Arandor (15:54:19 27/10/2009) I'm not the Mafia
Kash (15:54:30 27/10/2009) Arandor (14:36:22 27/10/2009) your vote doesn't matter Arandor (14:36:25 27/10/2009) you don't have to change it
Arandor (15:54:33 27/10/2009) just talked to a good guy)
Kash (15:54:36 27/10/2009) what was that?
Kash (15:54:43 27/10/2009) yeah, right
Kash (15:55:11 27/10/2009) okay, I won't tell anyone
Honestly, I didn't believe that Ar was the Mafia because he had sent me something similar before, on the verge of discussion. I thought he was really "talking to a good guy" and wasn't sharing the content of the conversation with ANYONE.
Now, about who asked whom about what:
Kash (16:52:04 27/10/2009) we'll talk when they kill him. maybe
Arandor (16:52:11 27/10/2009) okay... protect me
Arandor (16:52:13 27/10/2009) if you can)
Kash (16:52:22 27/10/2009) if I guess what your role is
Arandor (16:52:33 27/10/2009) they just wrote in the newspaper about the SMELL (poisoning)
Arandor (16:52:36 27/10/2009) and they wrote about the Sun
Arandor (16:52:41 27/10/2009) and I have the Sun on my amulet)
Arandor (16:52:47 27/10/2009) :-(
Kash (16:53:09 27/10/2009) I don't know, I didn't think about it
Arandor (16:53:18 27/10/2009) I just thought about it
Kash (16:53:19 27/10/2009) then it's too late to protect you
Arandor (16:53:26 27/10/2009) no
Arandor (16:53:35 27/10/2009) I mean, if you're not a healer
Arandor (16:53:41 27/10/2009) if you're a healer, then no
Arandor (16:53:52 27/10/2009) the victim dies before the healer's turn
Kash (16:53:59 27/10/2009) well, yes, the healer can heal
....
Arandor (16:54:50 27/10/2009) what if others kill him
Kash (16:55:04 27/10/2009) so, who will kill you?
Arandor (16:55:09 27/10/2009) *DONT_KNOW*
Arandor (16:55:23 27/10/2009) I don't know... anyone can)
Arandor (23:07:03 27/10/2009) will you protect me
Arandor (23:07:03 27/10/2009) please
Arandor (23:07:08 27/10/2009) I think you're the Mafia and you'll kill me
Arandor (23:07:11 27/10/2009) :'(
Kash (23:07:15 27/10/2009) are you being threatened?
Arandor (23:07:25 27/10/2009) not really
Arandor (23:07:27 27/10/2009) but they might kill me)
Kash (23:07:49 27/10/2009) I don't know, I'll see
Arandor (23:08:02 27/10/2009) but don't kill me
Arandor (23:08:11 27/10/2009) it's a shame to lose because of that phrase
Kash (23:08:13 27/10/2009) ??
Arandor (23:08:18 27/10/2009) what did I write to you
Arandor (23:08:28 27/10/2009) what if you're the Mafia
Kash (23:08:31 27/10/2009) how can I kill you?
Kash (23:08:42 27/10/2009) I'm a good guy :O
Kash (23:09:29 27/10/2009) I can't be the Mafia every time
Arandor (23:09:58 27/10/2009) how many times have you been?
Kash (23:10:03 27/10/2009) I don't know, a lot
Arandor (23:10:12 27/10/2009) no... tell me
Arandor (23:10:15 27/10/2009) are you definitely a good guy?
Arandor (23:10:19 27/10/2009) because I can't vouch for myself
Kash (23:17:40 27/10/2009) yes, I'm a good guy
Arandor (23:17:51 27/10/2009) okay, I see
Arandor (23:17:55 27/10/2009) I believe in your honesty
Arandor (23:25:57 27/10/2009) for the city, right?)
Arandor (23:26:03 27/10/2009) there are good guys and Mafia
Kash (23:26:05 27/10/2009) damn...
Arandor (23:26:07 27/10/2009) :-(
Arandor (21:13:49 28/10/2009) you didn't come to me(
Kash (21:14:00 28/10/2009) and I didn't promise))
I could quote more, but I think that's enough. After our first conversation about this, i.e., when Ar "exposed" himself, I went to turn him into a zombie, i.e., I didn't think he was the Mafia yet. Is that okay?
Hermit went to kill Areg because his posts seemed suspicious to me. Moreover, Hermit insisted on killing Kyle. Zubr and I knew Kyle's role, and I was ashamed to kill him for exposing himself to Zubr. If you knew how much effort it took me to convince my teammate...
And you still dare to accuse us of unfair play and talk about some kind of trust??
regarding the petition, yes, Kyle made a mistake. You were just afraid that we would kill you because you suspected my role... And I, in turn, had no idea who you were, and just in case, I asked not to kill and to protect, depending on what role you had. (this was to try to dispel suspicions somehow, to portray myself as good, because I needed to correct the mistake) But it's also not right to say that you killed me just because of your suspicions, after such a reveal =\ I still won't believe it and this is your post Kash (15:58:41 27/10/2009) I'm playing honestly. If I were a Mafia member, I wouldn't have killed someone just because they slipped up in the chat. That's it, let's stop discussing this.
And they could have sent a Necromancer to me so that the others would think that I might be on your team... because a Necromancer came to Zubr, and we thought that the Warlocks were covering for their own (in case they get killed), and then they tried to frame me... why not?
Kash (15:58:41 27/10/2009) I'm playing honestly. If I were a Mafia member, I wouldn't kill someone just because they slipped up in the chat. That's it, let's stop discussing this.
Read my long post again if it didn't sink in the first time. Even after you were killed, I was still unsure if the Pyromancer was still alive. I wasn't sure you were Mafia. What you sent me wasn't a leak, but just empty chatter.
And you were killed after your posts. In particular, it was noticeable how you voted against Zubr.
Added 3 minutes later
Kash (15:54:03 27/10/2009) Damn, you guys are going to kill me, you bastards
Not scared?
And how could you not guess if you immediately assumed I was Mafia?
Areg, you are well aware of my communication style, don't pretend. I think it's clear that I was writing in jest, teasing you, etc.
I don't see anything particularly special about the communication. Many would write like that, and the suspicions would remain until the end of the game, even if the person who was caught swore they were innocent...
I said what I wanted to say.
And it's foolish to think that I'm lying now. I'll repeat it one last time: I didn't think you were Mafia based on those words. I took them as your usual banter. I believed that you were writing to someone else, just as you were trying to discuss the game with me. That's it, let's close the topic. Next time, be more careful.
And I flared up now because I hate being accused of lying, cowardice, betrayal, and unfair play.
Thanks to everyone for the game, and special respect to the GM for a great Mafia game.
After the very first night, I suspected Kesh of being a Necromancer, although I misinterpreted the clues :) and the others just ignored them (except for Kesh himself)). In general, I hoped until the very end that someone would come at night to kill me – I wanted to test my ability. It was a good Mafia game – I enjoyed it, although I couldn't actively participate at the beginning, so later there was just a complete confusion with the roles, just like in Santa Barbara))) City Win :smile49:
Well, I missed everything again because of my fussiness :smile35: :( I didn't manage to post enough and seem suspicious, as I usually do :smile05: :smile04: P.S.: Congratulations on the victory!:smile49: :smile54:
Added 2 minutes later by the way, I have a question: why am I so lucky with suicidal roles? Oo First, I was Falco in the third Mafia game, and I got killed (although, Vikh would have killed me anyway), and now I was an Animagus who constantly risked his life. Luckily, I survived :D
I understood that on the fourth night, I needed to kill Kyle, not Arandor, but explaining this to Cash turned out to be impossible... If I had, in turn, committed an ND against Kyle, I would have killed him, and I would have remained. Cash, if we ever play in the same mafia again and have different opinions about who to target, when it's your turn to commit an ND, do it as you ultimately deem necessary, and when it's my turn, I will do as I ultimately decide. If my opinion differs from yours, it doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to exist. IMHO, the town should be grateful to you for my elimination and owes you a lot for its victory. :D
As for the mafia game itself, I really enjoyed it. In my opinion, it was the most balanced mafia game of all. I would play it again.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
Deal with Zubr yourselves. In general, it’s your mistake; we are not to blame that you sent Luchik’s status to the wrong window.
Did I say that you are to blame? On the contrary, it’s my mistake... and that’s why we didn’t immediately eliminate either Zubr or you, because we are to blame ourselves. Well, when it became clear that you were Mafia, then, I’m sorry, you had to be eliminated... Kash
A blatant lie.
I can’t say anything about this, as I didn’t see your initial conversation. Ar told me that he surrendered to you, and you, apparently, didn’t want to die immediately and asked not to be killed. Perhaps it was just a case of the telephone game. :o Kash
But I flared up now because I hate being accused of lying, cowardice, betrayal, and unfair play.
Did I accuse you of anything? We surrendered; we are to blame. You played within the rules. I have no complaints against you. :smile02:
Added after 6 minutes Hermit
As for the Mafia itself, I really enjoyed it. In my opinion, it was the most balanced Mafia game of all. I would play such a game again.
But it seemed to me that the Town was disproportionately strong here. Too many defenses. Block, 2.5 doctor, protection, kamikaze, and a status checker – that’s too much.
The Maniac is generally somewhat weakened.
As it seemed to me, the Mafia can only win if they don’t fight each other and agree on joint actions.
But the atmosphere is great. I would gladly play again with such an atmosphere.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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