Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in online Heroes of Might and Magic III tournaments. — Tournament Committee

bRitvo4kA

16 years ago

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KobRa_RR

Andrey, it seems like you just want to argue. I disagree with every point. Shit happens :D
VIK suggested an interesting scheme. It's been a long time coming to create a general rating. Dream's attempt was good, but the PR was weak.

A general rating already exists; it takes into account all seasonal, tournament, clan, and even club results, if the organizers copy the reports into the topic. Your interest in making the tournament rating more important stems from the fact that you only play in tournaments. The same applies to Wicc.

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Wicc

16 years ago

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bRitvo4kA

The general rating has been around for a long time; it takes into account all seasonal, tournament, clan, and even club scores, if the organizers copy the reports into the topic.

Is that true? And the guys don't even know... spill the beans, where is the ranking located!

And your interest in making the tournament rating more important stems from the fact that you only play in tournaments. The same goes for Wicc.

Damn, we've been exposed! Boss, it's all over!

Lider1

16 years ago

Как бы здесь: http://h3w.hut.ru/rating/2009/autumn.html :D

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Alessandro

16 years ago

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On the hero esports portal, the following situation arose in the qualifying group:
http://hp-2009.narod.ru/ Initially, the rules stated that in case of a tie in points, the player with the higher Berger rating would advance. The following players advanced to the next stage: 1st-3rd place. Events unfolded in group F, where Artful did not win against Lymer, and due to a lack of tournament motivation, agreed to a draw. If he had won, considering the head-to-head result, Redwhite would have ended up in 4th place because he lost to Chemist and Artful. I believe that defeating Explosiva is not easy. Unlike Redwhite, Chemist and Artful lost to Explosiva.
P.S. It is assumed that Artful would have won against Lymer, which I am not 100% sure about.

Question: What do you consider fairer: the Berger rating or the head-to-head result?

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Alessandro

Question: What do you consider fairer: a Berger tournament or a personal match?

Of course, the Berger tournament. Winning against a strong opponent is a much greater achievement than winning against an equal. But the problem is that the Berger tournament loses its appeal when there are few participants; more precisely, it often turns out to be equal.

Van

16 years ago

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Guys, have you seen this rating? How can someone who hasn't played a single game have a higher rating than someone who has at least one victory?

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Oelm

16 years ago

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Easy.
For 2 reasons:
1. This rating for the season is added to the previous one; if a player has no wins this fall, it doesn't mean they never had any.
2. A newcomer starts with an average rating of 1500, which means that with losses, they can get a lower rating. It would be better if a player entered the rating after playing 5-10 games; then the results would be more accurate.

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Wicc

16 years ago

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Lider1

Something like this: http://h3w.hut.ru/rating/2009/autumn.html :D

1) This is a rating for the autumn season. Due to the irregular play of many, it doesn't really mean much.

2) This is a rating for seasonal games, which not everyone plays. Many strong players only participate in tournaments.

3) This is a rating from only one website.

bRitvo4kA

16 years ago

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Alessandro

Question: What do you consider fairer: the Berger rating or a personal match?

The Berger rating, because it is higher for the player who wins or draws against players who have scored more points.

Wicc

1) This is the rating for the fall. Due to the irregular play of many, it is not very meaningful.
2) This is a rating based on seasonal games, which not everyone plays; many strong players only participate in tournaments.

1. This is a cumulative rating for the entire year, starting with the Winter 2009 season.
2. Tournament games are included in it.

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Forrest

16 years ago

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That’s a decent rating. Cobra is in 50th place, after all :D

bRitvo4kA

16 years ago

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What did you expect? He only has 3 games: 1 win, 1 loss, and 1 draw, plus games from the Jebuss Cross tournament, which the organizer (Javdet) didn't add to the season standings, as is now customary.
He should ask them to include the reports from Jebuss; I don't think anyone would object.

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Dirty_Player

16 years ago

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Forrest

What's up! Decent rating. Cobra is in 50th place :D

What should be done with him if he doesn't post reports? For example, I've been waiting for his reports on games with Vitalik on Jebus since summer. It's not working out very well. The final was played, but there are no reports to be found!

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Alessandro

16 years ago

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Lider1

Something like this: http://h3w.hut.ru/rating/2009/autumn.html :D

I checked it out. I have 2 nicknames: an old one (Alessandro-1977) and a new one :). It's great that a rating is being kept, but IMO, those who haven't played a single game shouldn't be included, just like Dreamcatcher did on the portal.

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Medium_HP

16 years ago

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Tournament rating is probably an interesting thing, and it might be worth maintaining it for use in draws, and just to have it.

Using any kind of rating as an additional criterion when indicators are equal is incorrect, if only because it puts tournament participants in unequal conditions from the start.

I wonder, is rating used in this way in any sports? I can't recall any such examples. Except perhaps weighing in weightlifting, but there it's the opposite - the lighter one wins.

I suggest using a simple, quick, absolutely fair (i.e., giving all participants equal opportunities) and limiting the possibility of match-fixing method - a coin toss.
In football, for example, a draw is used in some situations when indicators are equal.