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Offline Avern
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Can you recommend some entertaining books to read? I'm currently reading "The Gallic Wars." It's very interesting, but it requires a certain level of reading comprehension. Sometimes, I just want something light and easy to read, but not something poorly written. I've also stopped keeping up with new releases because I don't really know what's out there.
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I'm currently reading "The Gallic Wars." It's very interesting, but it demands a lot from the reader.

OMG, is it Caesar? :smile07:
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Yeah, Gaius Julius! But you need to dig through a lot of information to understand the plot. Otherwise, it's interesting – it looks like a report on Heroes of Might and Magic, but on a European scale.
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It's surprising, you don't hear that every day :) Even though I'm studying history, I don't know many people who would read this treatise, and even those who do probably wouldn't do it willingly, i.e., "for fun." So, please excuse my surprise :smile43:
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I love History, especially ancient history. Titus Livius writes well. Of course, I don't boast about it or impose it on anyone; it's a matter of taste. Historical books are interesting to read, but you need a good foundation of knowledge for that. But then you start to understand where Tolkien got his inspiration from :D
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Yeah, it's hard to come up with "something better" in fantasy in general, because to be considered fantasy, it has to be banal and cliché. It's such a primitive genre, what can you do?
If, for some, fantasy must be banal and cliché to be considered fantasy, and it's mandatory, then that's a problem specific to that individual. An unwillingness/inability to perceive anything outside of their own framework.
That's just how it is, what can you do?

WOW, WHAT A WEAK DRAGON. IT CAN EASILY DESTROY YOUR ENTIRE ARMY, AND YOU'RE STILL SAYING THERE'S NO MAGIC THERE!!!!!!!
Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made
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Can you recommend some entertaining books to read?
I'm currently reading "The Gallic Wars." It's very interesting, but it requires a lot from the reader.
Sometimes I just want something light and easy to read, but not something poorly written. I've stopped keeping up with new releases because I don't really know what's out there.
Stefan Zweig, "Magellan"
"What an amazing destiny a person has! What great feats they accomplished! And here I sit like a cockroach behind a stove, cooking soup." (S).

I also recommend the novel by V. Shishkov, "Emelian Pugachev" in 3 volumes. I devoured it in 4th grade in a few days and would gladly reread it now.

And if you want something really light, try "Son of Zeus" and "In the Depths of Centuries" by L. Voronkova. For older school-age children.
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
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Fantasy is limited in itself; if there are no corporations/mercenaries/aliens in the setting, it will remain just that, but if there is no magic/non-humans/swords in the fantasy setting, it will most likely just be a simple fairy tale.
NO, IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM. I CAN EASILY DEAL WITH IT BY USING DIFFERENT UNITS, AND DAROKON DOESN'T USE MAGIC HIMSELF!!! ONLY HUMANS USE IT! AND HE WON'T DESTROY EVERYTHING THERE!
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Ivanhoe
I also recommend V. Shishkov's novel "Emelian Pugachev" in 3 volumes.
I have, of course, read about Pugachev; I'm looking for something new.
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Fantasy is limited in itself; if there are no corporations/mercenaries/aliens in the sci-fi setting, it will remain just fantasy. But if there is no magic/non-humans/swords in the fantasy setting, it will most likely be just a simple fairy tale.
If there are no NEW TECHNOLOGIES and space exploration in 2150++, it will also be, at best, a decent work, but mostly a banal sci-fi story that relies solely on the fact that it is sci-fi. Of course, I'm not talking about everything. I've already said about fairy tales; if the genre of the work is a fairy tale, that doesn't mean anything bad; it's not far from fantasy.

THE DRAGON USES MAGIC!! LOOK AT ITS SKILLS!!! YOU CAN'T EASILY KILL IT WITH DIFFERENT UNITS!!! ONLY MAGIC CAN KILL IT, AND NOT ALL OF IT!!
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I love History, especially ancient history. Titus Livius writes well. I don't boast about it or impose it on anyone, it's a matter of taste. Historical books are interesting to read, but you need a good knowledge base for that. But then you start to understand where Tolkien got his inspiration from :D

I would then recommend Margarita Figuli's novel "Babylon," since you are interested in ancient history :)

But this is, of course, not a recent addition to the book industry :D I think it was written during World War II.

P.S. By the way, you can also find some interesting "roots" in this book ;)
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I used to read quite a bit of both, although there was more science fiction, but I still managed to enjoy both genres, and I never even thought about which one was "better." I think it's like comparing Italian and Japanese cuisine or choosing between soccer and hockey – different people read different books and choose what they like. Although, I guess the same trend can be seen in the opposite direction – people read the same thing, but each person takes something different away from it; some immerse themselves in a fairy tale, while others... immerse themselves in the same fairy tale, but with a different plot.
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Science fiction is essentially "new technologies." It's the foundation – without technology, there's no specific genre. And space isn't necessarily a requirement; it might be present, or it might not. But fantasy can't exist without adhering to certain tropes. Is a fairy tale close to fantasy? Mostly, yes. So what? A fairy tale is a fairy tale. Or are you, out of greed, trying to consume another genre to satisfy the insatiable fantasy appetite? WHAT OTHER MAGIC?! ARE YOU SOME KIND OF NOOB?! WHAT SKILLS?! FLYING?! ABSURD! WHAT DOES "WON'T KILL" MEAN? IT DOES AS MUCH DAMAGE AS TWO KNIGHTS, DAMN IT! WHAT DOES "WON'T KILL" MEAN?! OR DO YOU SCREAM LIKE A LITTLE GIRL WHEN YOU SEE THEM – "OH MY GOD, DEMONS!!!! THEY'RE GOING TO STEAL MY SOUL, QUICK, MAGIC! ARMAGEDDON!!!" OH NO, A GNOL!!!!!! THE MOST TERRIFYING ORC, MAGIC SCARES HIM!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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I recommend reading George Bernard Shaw's play "Caesar and Cleopatra." It's quite historically accurate :) I'm reading it myself right now, and I'm really enjoying it.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
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I read the first few messages, and I don't feel like reading any further /:
The main hero is just a simple country boy with a family sword, who suddenly turns out to be an awesome heir to a huge kingdom/an overpowered artifact falls into his hands/bandits kill his parents, and he sets off on a journey to an old hermit-teacher to take revenge.
This is a typical, incredibly banal plot of the most banal fantasy. Exceptions in books and games (let's not talk about movies) are extremely rare.
Mostly, it's just a bunch of clichés and templates.
Yes, in sci-fi, things are different. :) There are four pieces of the template.
War - mercenaries - corporations - alien civilizations.
And something is created from them. Just change the order...
corporations - war - mercenaries - alien civilizations.
alien civilizations - corporations - war - mercenaries.
war - alien civilizations - mercenaries - corporations.
And so on... lots of new things.
And the supervillains in sci-fi are just amazing. They don't know what they want and why they need world domination so much... but they NEED it! And they are everywhere.
VisTrit is right to dismiss it) Because nonsense exists everywhere.
And to say something like that just because you don't like this genre is nonsense, in my opinion.

I love fantasy ^^ I like it, and that's all, and what's better is a matter of personal opinion; there is no "best" in general.

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WHAT OTHER MAGIC?!!!! ARE YOU SOME KIND OF NOOB???? WHAT SKILLS???????? FLYING???? ABSURD!!!!!! WHAT DOES "WON'T KILL" MEAN? HE HAS THE HIT POINTS OF TWO HORSES, DAMN IT, WHAT DOES "WON'T KILL" MEAN?!!!! OR WHEN YOU SEE THEM, YOU SHOUT - OH MY GOD, DEMONS!!!! THEY'LL STEAL MY SOUL NOW, SOONER MAGIC! ARMAGEDDON!!!
OH NO, A GNOL!!!!!! THE MOST TERRIFYING ORC WITH MAGIC!!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
You went too far.
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